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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #101 em: 2015-02-04 15:10:43 »
Vi umas imagens agora ao almoço... wow...  :o
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Re:Avião caiu....
« Responder #102 em: 2015-02-05 12:12:53 »
.....parece que o piloto tentou evitar um desastre maior, "enfiando" o avião no rio....e ainda tendo conseguido passar por cima da ponte...embora tendo atingido de raspão o táxi que circulava..... :-[

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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #103 em: 2015-02-26 22:00:11 »
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One of CNN's aviation experts thinks Putin stole missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370

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Screenshot/CNN Private pilot and science writer Jeff Wise, one of CNN's aviation analysts during the network's wall-to-wall coverage of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, has a wild theory about the plane's true location.

Wise has discussed his theory on his blog (http://jeffwise.net/), published the details in a 95-page Kindle single, and written about it for New York Magazine.

In short, he thinks that the plane landed on a remote runway in Kazakhstan and might be part of a larger plot Russia orchestrated but has yet to fully play out.

It's been nearly a year since the Boeing 777 went missing during a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, and searchers still haven't brought forth any wreckage from the plane. Malaysia has officially declared the incident an "accident" and presumes that all 239 people on board are dead.

Investigators have not offered any conclusive explanation as to what happened to the plane after it vanished from radar, leaving plenty of opportunities for crazy theories to gain ground. People have speculated that the plane was shot down or hijacked, and some wondered if the aircraft had landed on some remote runway for unknown reasons.

Here are the flight paths, based on the last satellite signal recieved from the plane,  investigators were initially considering:

Here are the main premises from Wise's theory, based on what he wrote for New York Magazine:

• Someone tampered with the satellite data. The British satellite company Inmarsat was thrust into the MH370 story when it reported it had recorded a series of pings from the missing plane that could give clues as to its location. Inmarsat reportedly had equipment on board the plane and received "keep alive" ping signals from the Boeing 777 after it disappeared. Wise thinks someone tampered with this data.

• To tamper with the data, someone snuck into the electronics and equipment compartment on the plane. The compartment can reportedly be accessed through a hatch in the first class cabin. Wise wrote that the perpetrators knew that Inmarsat would discover the now-incorrect data and interpret it to mean that the plane flew south and crashed into the Indian Ocean.

• Contrary to the Inmarsat data, the plane actually flew north to Kazakhstan. Investigators were considering Kazakhstan as a possible destination for the plane early on, but they quickly dispelled that theory and focused on the Indian Ocean. After throwing out the "tampered with" data and analyzing the delay between the transmission and reception of the Inmarsat satellite pings, Wise put the plane in Kazakhstan.

• After flying north, the plane landed on a remote runway that lies just past the final satellite ping from the plane. Wise wrote that a runway in an area called Baikonur Cosmodrome would fit a Boeing 777. The area is supposedly consistent with the satellite data, if the last ping came at the start of the plane's descent.

• Once the plane landed, it either hid somewhere or refueled to take off again. Whoever hijacked the plane would have had 90 minutes to do so before the sun rose, according to Wise. The area is so remote that it's possible no one would have spotted the plane.

.Kazakhstan Google Earth mapScreenshot / Google Earth
 
• To carry out this plan, whoever hijacked the plane had help from Russia, which reportedly leases the runway the plane would have landed on. Wise wrote that the runway was built for a Russian space shuttle and noted that the country has " technically advanced satellite, avionics, and aircraft-manufacturing industries."

• "Why, exactly, would Putin want to steal a Malaysian passenger plane?" Wise doesn't have a clear motive established for Russia, but suggested that maybe President Vladimir Putin wanted to carry out a show of power (which would mean that the plot is not yet finished) and a number of other possibilities.

• There were three ethnic Russians on board MH370. Two of them reportedly had Ukrainian passports from Odessa and, according to Wise, might have been secret agents. Wise wrote that he found photos of the men online, and they looked like the type who "might battle Liam Neeson in midair." The Russian citizen was reportedly sitting in first class near the hatch that led to the equipment compartment where someone might be able to tamper with the satellite data.

To his credit, Wise admits that his theory sounds a bit out-there. Conspiracy theorists often cherry-pick data and information that fits their theories and ignore what is inconvenient.

"The more I discovered, the more coherent the story seemed to me. I found a peculiar euphoria in thinking about my theory, which I thought about all the time," Wise, who wrote a book on the subject, explained. "One of the diagnostic questions used to determine whether you’re an alcoholic is whether your drinking has interfered with your work. By that measure, I definitely had a problem."

In New York Magazine, Wise concludes: "My gut tells me I’m right, but my brain knows better than to trust my gut."
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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #104 em: 2015-03-10 21:54:41 »
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Malaysia Airlines Towelette Found On Western Australia Beach

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An unwrapped moist towelette branded with the Malaysia Airlines logo has been found on a beach in West Australia -- and it's now being tested to see if it is the first confirmed piece of evidence from the airline's missing plane.

The package was found by a couple strolling the beach near the town of Cervantes, Nine News reports.

Kingsley and Vicki Miller found the package on July 2 of last year, nearly four months after the plane vanished, but news of the discovery was not publicly reported until today.

They reported the discovery to the local police who handed it over to the Joint Agency Coordination Center which is handling the investigation into the missing plane.

No photos of the actual packet the Millers discovered has been release,d but they showed an example of the type of moist towelette that they said matched their find.

A spokesman for the Australian Transport Safety Bureau confirmed their discovery to the Sydney Morning Herald, though urged caution.

"It is unlikely, however, that such a common item with no unique identifier could be conclusively linked with MH370," he said.

Malaysia Airlines flight 370 departed from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia on March 8, 2014 and never made it to its intended destination of Beijing. No debris and no remains from the 239 people on board have ever been found.

The one year anniversary of the disappearance of the plane has renewed speculation about the aircraft's location and presumed crash site.

ABC News aviation consultant Steve Ganyard, who previously served as a Marine Corps fighter pilot, said that while we have not been able to find the plane, investigators “have a general idea of where that airplane was going” and have a rough search area approximately 1,000 miles west of Perth, in western Australia.

“I'm pretty comfortable with the satellite hits that we have now,” he told ABC News. “There’s pretty solid evidence that we have now of the airplane heading due south and the last satellite hit."

 

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Re:Airbus A320 Crash In French Alps
« Responder #105 em: 2015-03-24 11:40:58 »
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Airbus A320 Crash In French Alps: Live Blog

24 minutes ago
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/airbus-a320-crash-in-french-alps--live-blog-105426285.html#VZJT9rB

•GERMANWINGS AIRBUS A320 CRASHES IN SOUTHERN FRENCH ALPS

•142 PASSENGERS AND SIX CREW ON BOARD - ALL THOUGHT TO HAVE DIED
PASSENGER JET HAD BEEN TRAVELLING FROM BARCELONA TO DUSSELDORF

•FRENCH PRESIDENT FRANCOIS HOLLANDE HAS SAID THERE ARE UNLIKELY TO BE ANY SURVIVORS

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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #106 em: 2015-03-24 12:25:50 »
Isto tem sido a um ritmo alucinante. :'(
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Re:Airbus A320 Crash In French Alps
« Responder #107 em: 2015-03-24 12:36:08 »
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http://www.tf1.fr/live/


Crash de l'A320 : le pilote avait déclaré une situation de détresse

Quelques minutes avant le crash de l'A320 dans la région de Barcelonnette, le pilote de l'avion avait déclaré être en situation de détresse. Christophe Naudin, spécialiste de l'aéronautique explique ce que cela implique.
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Re:Airbus A320 Crash In French Alps
« Responder #108 em: 2015-03-24 16:01:35 »

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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #109 em: 2015-03-24 16:57:20 »
Nem me quero imaginar dentro desse voo.... Jizus.
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Re:La zone où s'est écrasé l'A320 est quasi inaccessible
« Responder #110 em: 2015-03-24 17:23:20 »
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La zone où s'est écrasé l'A320 est quasi inaccessible

Les secours vont affronter un environnement très hostile. L'endroit où s'est écrasé l'avion de Germanwings est très escarpé.

«Il faut 45 minutes à pied pour accéder au pied de la montagne des Têtes», note le quotidien régional La Provence. Le lieu où s'est écrasé mardi 24 mars l'Airbus A320 de Germanwings est uniquement accessible en hélicoptère.

Le massif de l'Estrop dans la vallée de la Blanche, à une dizaine de kilomètres à vol d'oiseau de Seyne, est une zone montagneuse culminant entre 1500 et 2500 mètres d'altitude au nord-est de Digne où le risque d'avalanche est élevé, vu les récentes chutes de neige, note le quotidien économique français Les Echos.

«Les hélicoptères ne peuvent pas se poser, nous allons recourir à la technique du treuillage», a commenté le lieutenant-colonel Jean-Paul Bloin à Seyne-les-Alpes, la commune voisine où a été installé un PC opérationnel. Au milieu des camions de pompiers, des petits véhicules légers équipés de chenilles (appelés chenillettes) ont été déployés, vraisemblablement pour être hélitreuillés sur le lieu où s'est écrasé l'avion, note l'AFP.

La vidéo tournée par les journalistes de France 2 montre à quel point la zone est escarpée:

http://www.24heures.ch/monde/zone-s-abime-la320-quasi-inaccessible/story/29059329

Accessible que par les airs

«Ca s'est passé dans une zone d'un hectare environ, très ascendante, à flanc de pente», a encore précisé le lieutenant-colonel. «Il y a beaucoup de débris éparpillés, ce sera extrêmement compliqué pour relever les éléments et opérer», a ajouté le militaire, évoquant aussi la présence de «quelques gros débris, peut-être une demi-douzaine». «Ce n'est accessible que par les airs, il y a très peu de chemins, c'est très compliqué de progresser à pied».

Les gendarmes doivent être encordés. Il faut stabiliser les débris, note le quotidien Les Echos, pour éviter qu'ils ne se décrochent et chutent sur les secours. Ensuite, il faut circonscrire la zone qui, ici, est probablement d'environ 2 hectares. «Il faut progresser entre les débris sans trop y toucher, pour ne pas pénaliser le travail ultérieur des enquêteurs », a déclaré un membre du Peleton de Gendarmerie de Haute-montagne de Briançon aux Echos.

Trois-cent soixante sapeurs pompiers des départements des Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, des Hautes-Alpes, du Vaucluse, du Var, des Bouches-du-Rhone, des Alpes-Maritimes, et du bataillon des Marins-Pompiers de Marseille ont été envoyés pour renforcer le dispositif local. Des moyens logistiques et de désincarcération ont été également envoyés, notamment de l'éclairage pour pouvoir poursuivre les opérations durant la nuit.
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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #111 em: 2015-03-26 01:41:52 »
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Acidente A320: Um dos pilotos estava fora do cockpit e não conseguiu voltar


O jornal norte-americano The New York Times avança, citando um militar envolvido na investigação ao acidente que provocou a queda do A320 da Germanwings no sul dos Alpes,que um dos pilotos não estava no cockpit e que, quando tentou regressar, deu com a porta trancada.

Um investigador envolvido no apuramento das causas do acidente com o avião da Germanwings – subidiária low cost da companhia aérea alemã Lufthansa que na terça-feira caiu no sul dos Alpes franceses quando fazia a ligação entre Barcelona e Dusseldorf, com 150 pessoas a bordo – disse ao The New York Times que a gravação áudio recuperada de uma das caixas negras (na foto) revela que um dos pilotos saiu do cockpit antes de o avião iniciar a brusca perda de altitude e que já não conseguiu voltar a entrar na cabina.
 
Recorde-se que no acidente desta terça-feira, 24 de Março, o A320 que realizava o voo GWI9525 passou dos 35.000 pés (equivalente a cerca de 10.700 metros de altitude) para 6.900 pés (1.800 metros) em oito minutos.
 
O militar que falou com o NYT disse que a conversa entre os pilotos no início da viagem era "bastante descontraída". Em seguida, o registo áudio indica que um dos pilotos saiu do cockpit e que já não conseguiu reentrar.
 
"O indivíduo estava do lado de fora, a bater à porta, mas não obteve qualquer resposta", relatou o investigador. "Depois começou a bater com mais força, mas continuou a não ter reposta. Nunca lhe responderam", acrescentou.
 
"Dá para perceber, pelo ruído, que ele tentou mandar a porta abaixo", referiu ainda a mesma fonte.
 
"Não sabemos por que motivo é que o piloto saiu da cabina, mas temos a certeza de que nos momentos finais do voo o outro piloto estava sozinho e não abriu a porta", declarou.
 
Os dados das gravações áudio só parecem vir adensar o mistério em torno das circunstâncias que levaram à queda do avião e não dão qualquer indicação sobre a condição ou actividade do piloto que permaneceu no cockpit, sublinha o jornal. Durante a brusca perda de altitude do A320, não houve qualquer comunicação do cockpit para os controladores de tráfego aéreo nem qualquer outro sinal de emergência.
 
A brusca descida foi alarmante, mas também suficientemente gradual para indicar que não houve qualquer avaria catastrófica nos motores.
 
A informação divulgada pelas autoridades da aviação francesa quanto à natureza das gravações é escassa, desconhecendo-se se os registos são parciais ou estão completos. O gabinete que investiga as causas do acidente confirmou apenas que foram detectadas vozes humanas e outros sons provenientes do cockpit, que serão sujeitos a uma análise pormenorizada.
 
(notícia em actualizada à 01h20)
http://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/empresas/transportes/aviacao/detalhe/acidente_a320_um_dos_pilotos_estava_fora_do_cockpit_e_nao_conseguiu_voltar.html

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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #112 em: 2015-03-26 12:11:50 »
Um resumo do que aconteceu, segundo o procurador responsável pela investigação do acidente do avião da Germanwings que matou 150 pessoas:
 
– comandante saiu do cockpit e viu-lhe negado o acesso.
– copiloto trancou-se no cockpit, não abriu a porta ao comandante e acionou o piloto automático para começar a descida.
– Robin Price, procurador de Marselha, recusa usar a palavra “suicídio” mas fala em “ação voluntária”
– comandante chamou copiloto, pediu acesso, chamou-o, identificou-se e bateu na porta. Mas nada.
– caixa negra ofereceu 30 minutos das últimas comunicações no cockpit. Durante 20 ouvem-se conversas normais. Nos últimos dez não se ouve nem uma palavra. Ouve-se apenas a respiração do copiloto.
– os dois pilotos eram alemães.

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French prosecutor: Co-pilot wanted to 'destroy' plane
« Responder #113 em: 2015-03-26 12:22:50 »
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French prosecutor: Co-pilot wanted to 'destroy' plane

PARIS (AP) — The co-pilot of a Germanwings flight that slammed into an Alpine mountainside "intentionally" sent the plane into its doomed descent, a French prosecutor said Thursday.

Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said the commander left the cockpit, presumably to go to the lavatory, and then was unable to regain access. In the meantime, he said, co-pilot Andreas Lubitz manually and "intentionally" set the plane on the descent that drove it into the mountainside in the southern French Alps.

It was the co-pilot's "intention to destroy this plane," Robin said.

The information was pulled from the black box cockpit voice recorder, but Robin said the co-pilot did not say a word after the commanding pilot left the cockpit.

"It was absolute silence in the cockpit," he said.

During the final minutes of the flight's descent, pounding could be heard on the door as alarms sounded, he said.

In the German town of Montabaur, acquaintances said Lubitz was in his late twenties and showed no signs of depression when they saw him last fall as he renewed his glider pilot's license.

"He was happy he had the job with Germanwings and he was doing well," said a member of the glider club, Peter Ruecker, who watched him learn to fly. "He gave off a good feeling."

Lubitz had obtained his glider pilot's license as a teenager, and was accepted as a Lufthansa pilot trainee after finishing a tough German college preparatory school, Ruecker said. He described Lubitz as a "rather quiet" but friendly young man.

The Airbus A320, on a flight from Barcelona to Duesseldorf, began to descend from cruising altitude after losing radio contact with ground control and slammed into the remote mountain on Tuesday morning, killing all 150 people on board.

Lufthansa has not identified the pilots but said the co-pilot joined Germanwings in September 2013, directly after training, and had flown 630 hours.

The captain had more than 6,000 hours of flying time and been a Germanwings pilot since May 2014, having previously flown for Lufthansa and Condor, Lufthansa said.

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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #114 em: 2015-03-26 12:27:35 »
como diria a ana gomes, a culpa eh da austeridade neo-liberal

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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #115 em: 2015-03-26 14:18:02 »
Embora pareça suicídio também não sei se é normal um piloto sair do cockpit num voo desta duração (curta).

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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #116 em: 2015-03-26 14:20:18 »
O próximo passo vai ser vasculhar a vida do co-piloto, claro.

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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #117 em: 2015-03-26 14:48:55 »

É possível abrir a porta por fora, por motivos de segurança, por isso, para já
essa teoria não está completamente confirmada.

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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #118 em: 2015-03-26 14:54:20 »
Segundo li, a porta ser ser aberta por fora com o código de segurança mas esse sistema pode, ele próprio, ser invalidado se a porta for trancada por dentro impedindo o acesso com o sistema de segurança (o que até faz sentido em caso de suspeita de algo errado do lado de fora do cockpit - uma tomada da tripulação por parte de terroristas, por exemplo).

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Explica o piloto que o A320 tem procedimentos de segurança em caso de um dos pilotos ficar incapacitado dentro da cabine quando o outro está ausente. Quando alguém quer entrar no cockpit pede acesso e uma câmara dentro da cabine permite que o piloto que lá estiver dentro decida se aceita ou recusa a entrada à pessoa que está à porta.

Se não houver resposta de dentro da cabine – o que terá acontecido no desastre da Germanwings - qualquer membro da tripulação pode digitar um código de emergência para pedir acesso. Se ainda assim continuar sem resposta, a porta abre automaticamente após 30 segundos. Mas se o acesso for novamente recusado, a porta mantém-se sempre trancada.
http://sol.pt/noticia/127885


Nalgumas companhias quando um dos pilotos saí entra um comissário de bordo para não ficar ninguém sozinho no cockpit.

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Re:Avião desaparece....
« Responder #119 em: 2015-03-26 14:59:22 »
Segundo li, a porta ser ser aberta por fora com o código de segurança mas esse sistema pode, ele próprio, ser invalidado se a porta for trancada por dentro impedindo o acesso com o sistema de segurança (o que até faz sentido em caso de suspeita de algo errado do lado de fora do cockpit - uma tomada da tripulação por parte de terroristas, por exemplo).


Foi dito por outro Piloto, que não revelou o modus operandi, que é possível desbloquear
por fora, mesmo estando bloqueado por dentro.