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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #220 em: 2015-09-05 11:18:06 »
Os canadianos têm um politica que parece bastante razoável. São precisos 5 canadianos para receber 1 refugiado e esses 5 canadianos comprometem-se a tomar conta e suportar a integração do refugiado (não sei os detalhes concretos). Os refugiados, por seu lado, obrigam-se a cumprir determinadas condições sob pena de deportação.

Isto devia ser um exemplo a seguir. Alia a liberdade de escolha (quem quer receber, recebe, contribui e responsabiliza-se) e quem não quer não recebe. E é, simultaneamente, uma forma não escrita de colocar quotas. O número total dependerá da vontade das pessoas e não do estado, o que é excelente, e torna a integração com maior probabilidade de sucesso porque há uma ligação directa, concreta (e não likes no facebook e discursos abstractos) do refugiado com as famílias que são responsáveis pelo seu acolhimento.

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #221 em: 2015-09-05 11:58:25 »
Como tratar os sírios que venham para Portugal :

1- Escolher zonas agrícolas que têm falta de mão de obra.
2 - Os militares devem -lhes dar tendas para viver.
3 - Os municípios devem -lhes dar comida e assistência medica e ensinar o português.

Mais ideias

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #222 em: 2015-09-05 12:33:53 »
Quem quiser ajudar pode passar das palavras aos actos, que isto de escrever no facebook é bonito mas não resolve nada.
http://www.refugiados.pt/como-ajudar/

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #224 em: 2015-09-05 14:03:55 »
More than 11,000 Icelanders offer to house Syrian refugees to help European crisis

The country's government is only obliged to take in 50 asylum seekers a year, according to a humanitarian quota
LIZZIE DEARDEN   Tuesday 01 September 2015

More than 11,000 families in Iceland have offered to open their homes to Syrian refugees in a bid to raise the government’s cap of just 50 asylum seekers a year.

They responded to a call by author Bryndis Bjorgvinsdottir, who set up a Facebook group with an open letter to the country’s welfare minister, Eygló Harðardóttir, asking her to allow people to help.

Ms Bjorgvinsdottir said she knew someone who could house five Syrians fleeing the country’s brutal civil war, requesting work permits, residence papers and “basic human rights” in exchange for paying for their flight and helping them integrate into national society. Syrian refugees passing on the Syrian side of the border crossing Akcakale, in Sanliurfa province, southeastern Turkey Hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees have been crossing into Turkey and attempting to make their way to Europe

In the letter, she said she started the group to show the level of public support for welcoming more refugees, who Ms Bjorgvinsdottir called “human resources” with experience and skills that could help all Icelanders.

“They are our future spouses, best friends, the next soul mate, a drummer for our children’s band, the next colleague, Miss Iceland in 2022, the carpenter who finally finishes the bathroom, the cook in the cafeteria, a fireman and television host,” she wrote.

“People of whom we'll never be able to say in the future: ‘Your life is worth less than my life.’”

Referring to the thousands of migrants who have drowned in desperate attempts to cross the Mediterranean, Ms Bjorgvinsdottir urged Iceland to “open the gates”.


More than 11,000 people have so far joined the group, writing their own proposals in thousands of comments below.

“I'm a single mother with a six-year-old son...we can take a child in need. I'm a teacher and would teach the child to speak, read and write Icelandic and adjust to Icelandic society. We have clothes, a bed, toys and everything a child needs,” wrote Hekla Stefansdottir, according to a translation by AFP.

As the outpouring of support continues, the Prime Minister has announced the formation of a committee dedicated to re-assessing the number of asylum seekers Iceland will accept. Prime Minister of Iceland Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson looks on during a press conference ahead of the Nordic and Baltic prime ministers meeting for the Nordic Council's 66th Session at the Rosenbad government office in Stockholm on October 27, 2014. Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson said Europe's migration crisis was 'one of the greatest challenges of modern times'

The Reykjavik Grapevine reported that in a radio interview on Monday, Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson said that Iceland must take part in efforts to welcome the influx of migrants reaching Europe, which he called “one of the greatest challenges of modern times”.

Meanwhile, the welfare minister, Ms Harðardóttir, told national broadcaster RUV that authorities were reading the Facebook offers and would consider increasing the number of refugees accepted under a quota.

Iceland, which has a population of little over 330,000, welcomed 1,117 immigrants in 2014, according to government figures.

Germany is currently leading Europe for taking in asylum seekers, receiving more than  73,000 first-time asylum claims in the first three months of this year alone, compared to 7,300 in the UK.

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #225 em: 2015-09-05 14:13:44 »
Making refugees welcome: Citizens of Germany, Iceland show the way

Large numbers in Iceland back a Facebook initiative in Iceland calling for more Syrian refugees to be let in
A website in Germany helps match refugees with offers of accommodation in private homes
Offering a room to a migrant has been an "absolutely fantastic" experience, says a volunteer host in Berlin

Using digital means, they are taking practical steps to offer desperate men, woman and children a place to stay in their own homes, or seeking to pressure their own governments into offering sanctuary to more of those in need.

In Iceland, author and professor Bryndis Bjorgvinsdottir has set up a Facebook page to call for her country's government to increase the number of refugees it was planning to accept from a reported 50 -- prompting a big response and wide media interest.

And in Germany, a website has been running for months which aims to match offers of accommodation in private homes -- ideally shared rental apartments -- across the country with individual refugees in need of a place to stay.

The website, Refugees Welcome (Fluechtlinge Wilkommen,) has already placed dozens of refugees who otherwise might be placed in overcrowded migrant centers or struggle to put a roof over their heads at all.

Such direct action couldn't be more needed.

Migrants are pouring over Europe's borders in record numbers this year, according to the EU border agency Frontex, many of them fleeing conflict in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. In July alone, a record 107,500 were detected at EU borders, it said.

'Refugees are our future spouses, best friends'

In Reykjavik, Bjorgvinsdottir's inspiration came from a friend who posted a status update on Facebook -- addressed to Iceland's Minister of Welfare Eyglo Hardar -- saying he wanted to take five Syrian refugees into his own home, she said.

With just that gesture, her friend pointed out, the number Iceland took in could increase to 55, Bjorgvinsdottir told CNN's "The World Right Now."

Struck by his idea, she thought that she could offer to pay for the flights. "Then I got this idea that maybe more people want to join in and give food or clothes or even offering their houses or extra bedrooms -- and I did that just to see how much we could raise the number from maybe 50 to 100 or 200," she said.

The idea took off and the page already has 12,000 members, Bjorgvinsdottir said -- no mean feat given the country's population is only about 300,000. Proportionately, that equates to some 12 million people signing up in the United States.

A post on her Facebook page says, "Refugees are human resources, experience and skills. Refugees are our future spouses, best friends, our next soul mate, the drummer in our children's band, our next colleague, Miss Iceland 2022, the carpenter who finally fixes our bathroom, the chef in the cafeteria, the fireman, the hacker and the television host. People who we'll never be able to say to: 'Your life is worth less than mine.'"

Bjorgvinsdottir hasn't yet been able to sort through the comments posted on the page to calculate how many offers of places to stay there are. But with the help of volunteers she hopes to pass that information on to the government in the near future, in the hope it can be put to concrete use.

The war in Syria has been dragging on for years, she said, and Icelanders don't understand why they are not seeing more refugees being given sanctuary in their country.

"People just really want to help and they really want to see actions -- and actions taken immediately, right now, because time matters a lot in this situation," she said.

Inspired by the Icelandic example, a U.S. group has also been set up on Facebook, called "Americans Supporting Syrian Refugees: Open Homes, Open Hearts."

In Germany, Katie Griggs, a Briton who's been living in Berlin for several years, is one of those who responded to the call of Refugees Welcome and registered with the website in March.

She and her husband own their apartment, so couldn't provide an apartment share, but could offer a guestroom for emergency accommodation.

Just a few weeks after they signed up, they welcomed a pregnant woman from Nigeria into their compact, two-bedroom flat in Berlin's hip Kreuzberg district, Griggs told CNN by phone from Berlin.

The woman, whom Griggs refers to as Alyssa on her blog to safeguard her privacy, had been referred to Refugees Welcome by another group in Berlin which helps trafficked women. Realizing she was pregnant and in a worsening situation, Alyssa had left Greece -- where she'd spent two years after traveling from Nigeria -- and made another perilous overland journey to Germany in search of help, Griggs said.

"Of course we had worries and then other people throw worries at you," said Griggs of her initial reaction on being asked to host Alyssa in May. Those concerns included questions over the penniless 24-year-old's health and their own personal security.

But, Griggs said, "The actual experience was brilliant, it was absolutely fantastic. We got to learn about Africa just in our own living room. She was lovely, she was so positive the whole time, even though she was on her own, a pregnant woman.

Alyssa told how she'd left school at 11 because there was no money to pay for her education, Griggs said. Griggs tried to help their guest with German and with learning about the baby she's expecting in November.

"But she also gave us lots back -- we learned about Nigerian food, about Nollywood, she would do a bit of dancing for us, teach us about African music and culture," said Griggs.

Six weeks later, Alyssa felt able to lodge a formal asylum claim and was whisked off by train to a center in western Germany the same day, clutching her meager belongings in a plastic bag. Since then, Alyssa has stayed in touch by phone -- and Griggs says she misses having her in their home.

Berliners lend a Syrian refugee a bike
Horrified by the images she's seen of conflict and the tragic deaths of Syrian refugees seeking to reach Europe, Griggs has also tried to help Syrian refugees in Berlin.

She signed up to a Berlin-based Facebook bicycling group set up by a Syrian refugee, Monis Bukhari, to help fellow Syrians arriving in the city adjust to their new lives.

It asks Berliners to lend bikes for one-day bike tours, so that the newly arrived refugees can meet fellow residents of the city, German or other nationalities, stay active and get to know their way around -- all helping them to integrate into the community.

The cycling group brings together mostly people aged 25 and under, Bukhari said, with similar interests -- important when so many of the Syrians coming to Germany are young.

And it's not a one-way street.

Bukhari, who arrived in Berlin two years ago and has recently been granted a German passport, is using Facebook to organize a "Thank you Germany" event on October 10, in which Syrians will hand out flowers randomly to Germans at stations across the country and play music for free for their enjoyment.

No food, no sleep, waves of migrants pile into Munich

Bukhari, who's part of a wider volunteer group within Germany called Syrian House which seeks to help new arrivals navigate German laws and bureaucracy, told CNN that the event has a dual purpose.

"First of all, we as Syrians, we think that German people deserve to be thanked because they are supporting us and helping us, and they showed so much sympathy," he said. This is true even when the people involved share no common language, he said.

"The other side is that we in Syrian House think that this way of thanking will help or, let's say, push the people who refuse refugees to accept them, to accept the idea of welcoming refugees."

Bukhari, who ran his own design studio and publishing firm in Damascus, knows how vital that welcome can be. He first fled Syria for Beirut and then Jordan after he was accused by the Syrian authorities of being a spy and sentenced to death in absentia. He was invited to work in Germany on a project and has stayed there since after Jordan declined his return, he said.

Next month Syrian House will launch a photography exhibition and book by Syrian photographers documenting the refugee experience in Germany, and the kindness of some people they encounter, Bukhari said.

Another Facebook page advertizes the first concert by the Syrian Expat Philharmonic Orchestra -- which describes itself as "the first symphony orchestra for the Syrian professional musicians who live in European Union countries" -- on September 22, in the German city of Bremen.


Merkel: Germany must show 'flexibility'
Amid the turmoil of recent months, as European nations -- particularly Greece and Italy -- struggle to cope with the migrants reaching their shores, Germany has stood out as one of the more welcoming EU members.

Germany's government said last month it expected up to 800,000 asylum seekers to come this year -- four times more than in 2014.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Monday that her country -- where some are opposed to taking in asylum seekers -- must show "flexibility" when it comes to dealing with the crisis.

For the most part, the public supports Merkel.

Local football clubs hoisted "welcome" banners over the weekend. Villages held "refugee welcome" parties for the newcomers. And a recent news poll estimated that 60% back Merkel's warm welcome.

But not everyone in Germany feels the same way. There have been xenophobic protests, and a planned asylum center was burned down last month.

Police in the town of Cottbus have arrested a suspect in an attack on about 40 asylum-seekers at a shelter in Brandenburg on Tuesday evening in which some kind of spray was used.

It's not clear what the substance was or what triggered the attack but several people, including children, were brought to the hospital for treatment. None are in serious condition, police said.

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #226 em: 2015-09-05 14:22:37 »
Volunteers defy hostile leaders to welcome refugees to Europe
States cite possible security threat and absence of mosques as reasons not to take Muslim refugees

BUDAPEST, Hungary — Returning after a confusing and chaotic morning to the impromptu refugee camp at Budapest’s main train station, its reluctant residents resigned themselves to staying a while longer and took solace from a familiar source.

“They help us every day, all the time,” said Ahmad Rashid, an engineer from Herat, Afghan, accepting a sandwich, an apple and a bottle of water from volunteers who have also made camp at the station.

“The government here gives us nothing. We want to leave — everyone here wants to leave — but they won’t let us go,” he said, after a single train packed with refugees pulled out on Thursday morning, leaving well over a thousand more stranded. “But these people treat us like humans. We are so thankful for them. We thank Allah that they are here.”

The volunteers are from Migration Aid, which unites locals and foreigners in Hungary to help the huge numbers of refugees passing through the country.

With hundreds of volunteers and more than 22,000 Facebook followers, Migration Aid offers food, water, medical help and information to refugees who each day cross Hungary by the thousands, even as Prime Minister Viktor Orban and his populist right-wing government wash their hands of them.

“This is a normal human reaction to what is happening,” said one of Migration Aid’s main organizers, Zsuzsanna Zsohar. “It’s what we all should do.”

All along the Balkan route to Western Europe — through Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia and Hungary — volunteers are stepping in to help refugees, defying their leaders’ indifference or hostility to the new arrivals.

As a solitary train left Budapest’s Keleti station on Thursday, crammed with refugees who thought they were going to Austria, Orban was telling top European Union officials in Brussels that the crisis was “a German problem.”

“Nobody would like to stay in Hungary,” he said. “All of them would like to go to Germany.”

With Hungary’s asylum system facing collapse and pressure growing on his government from the far-right Jobbik party, Orban has promised to introduce tough measures to ensure that “a different era will start from Sept. 15.”

Razor wire now lines Hungary’s 109-mile frontier with Serbia, and a 13-foot-high steel fence will soon be in place; new laws are being prepared to further tighten security on the border and to ease the deployment of troops to support more than 2,000 police officers who are already in the area.

“We Hungarians are full of fear. People in Europe are full of fear because they see that the European leaders … are not able to control the situation,” Orban said.

The crisis has revealed a stark split in the EU, with Germany ready to accept some 800,000 refugees this year but insisting that the only sustainable solution is a quota system in which all member states take some refugees.

Orban has derided such a plan, however, in chorus with leaders of other Central European states with small Muslim and refugee communities.

This, despite their people’s familiarity with the need to leave home to find a brighter future — after the Soviet invasions of Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968, the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s and in the last decade’s vast westward flow of job seekers from Poland, the Baltic states and Romania.

“We must not forget that those who are coming in have been brought up under a different religion and represent a profoundly different culture,” Orban wrote in the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung this week. “The majority are not Christians but Muslims. That is an important question because Europe and European culture have Christian roots … Or is it not already and in itself alarming that Europe’s Christian culture is barely able to uphold Europe’s own Christian values?”

To reinforce his point during his visit to Brussels, he recalled Hungary’s “experience with Muslims” when it was ruled by the Ottomans during the 16th and 17th centuries. “We do not want a large number of Muslims in our country,” he said. “No one can force us to accept more than we want.”

Orban has found common cause on the refugee crisis with other Central European leaders and on Friday discussed the issue with his Czech, Slovak and Polish counterparts in Prague.

Slovakia says it will accept 200 refugees from the Middle East but wants only Christians because, among other issues, the country doesn’t have any mosques.

“Since Slovakia is a Christian country, we cannot tolerate an influx of 300,000 to 400,000 Muslim immigrants who would like to start building mosques all over our land and trying to change the nature, culture and values of the state,” Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico said earlier this year.

Echoing Orban’s claims of “a clear link between illegal migrants coming to Europe and the spread of terrorism,” Czech President Milos Zeman has said that “by accepting the migrants, we strongly facilitate Islamic State’s expansion to Europe.”

After police fired tear gas to stop asylum seekers breaking out of a refugee camp last month, Zeman said, “Nobody invited you here … If you are already here, you have to respect our rules. And if you don’t like it, go away.”

Central Europe’s leaders say such statements reflect the views and defend the interests of their people, but civil society keeps telling them otherwise.

In Slovakia, more than 10,000 people have signed an online Plea for Humanity, which was created after 71 refugees, thought to be Syrians, were found dead Aug. 27 in Austria in the back of a truck abandoned by suspected people smugglers.

“This tragedy shows that refugee’s crisis is not some abstract political problem. It is a matter of life and death of real people,” the petition states. “We call on the Slovak government to immediately take measures to ease the burden of countries most affected by the influx of refugees and to alleviate the suffering of people. Hundreds of individuals and communities have offered to help. These people can be the cornerstone of our effort.”

In the Hungarian town of Szeged, 10 miles from the border with Serbia, refugees are met at the train station by volunteers from a group called Migrant Solidarity.

“This is the most divisive issue in Hungarian society today,” said Mark Kekesi, a psychology professor and volunteer. “We can work well in Szeged because it is the only major Hungarian city run by the liberal opposition party. But the country is split on this question.”

Orban’s fence, Kekesi explained, has done nothing to reduce the number of refugees from Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Eritrea, Somalia, Bangladesh and many other countries who seek help as they pass through Szeged.

“It’s ridiculous,” he said. “Anyone can crawl under or over the fence in a couple of minutes. It is very expensive and will never stop anything. But this is a political statement. Orban wants to project the idea that he is protecting Hungary and Europe from invaders.”

Ahmad Rashid, 28, crawled under the razor wire on Sunday and hoped to be on the one train that took refugees west from Budapest on Thursday.

Its passengers did not get far, however.

Just 20 miles outside Budapest, the train stopped at the town of Bicske, where police tried to take the passengers to a camp for asylum seekers.

Some scuffled with police, ran away or refused to leave the carriages, while others threw themselves on the rails in front of the train — which was painted to celebrate a borderless Europe and 25 years since the fall of the Iron Curtain and showed people running free past a watchtower and broken barbed-wire fence.

When news filtered back to the train station, many refugees said they would not trust anything they were told Hungarian police or officials after what they called a trick.

“What the authorities did with that train was very dangerous,” said Zsohar. “As far as we know, many people were stuck inside the train in baking heat, without any volunteers there to help them. It was like a trap.”

On Friday afternoon, hundreds of refugees left the train and broke through police lines at Bicske, setting off down the tracks toward Austria; at about the same time, hundreds of people at Keleti station packed their bags, rounded up their children and walked out of Budapest and along a westbound highway.

In the end, they may not have to walk the full 120 miles to Austria, because more than 2,000 people there have joined a social media campaign to find drivers who are willing to use their cars to go to Hungary to transport refugees.

“The Austrian government and the EU stand by idly and watch as people on the streets of Budapest — without any appropriate supplies — have to endure appalling conditions,” the project’s organizers wrote on its Facebook page. “That’s why we are intervening and starting a convoy of buses and cars to bring the refugees to safety.”

As Orban and other central European leaders turn their backs on the refugees, volunteers across the region are showing what activism can achieve in countries where civil society often faces strong pressure.

“Volunteering is a perfectly natural thing to do,” said Evelina Politidou, a council official in northern Greece, where she handed out food and drinks to weary refugees following a rail line into Macedonia near the village of Idomeni. “I couldn’t do anything else, seeing this situation,” she said.

“And anyway, my surname shows that my ancestors came here from Asia Minor at some point. We were all migrants once.”

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #227 em: 2015-09-05 14:26:30 »
o altruísmo existe.

pode ser que isto seja um ponto de viragem para a Europa e para o mundo.

http://www.refugees-welcome.net/

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Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #228 em: 2015-09-05 14:54:04 »
eh o chamado tiro no pe em nome duma ideologia cega

querem moldar o mundo as suas ideias. alguns ate defendem que as pessoas nascem todas iguais num estado parecido com o do
bom selvagem, um blank state. isso esta cientificamente provado ser errado. a realidade nao se compadece com as ideias bonitinhas ou feias, eh apenas o que eh.
blank state + multiculturalismo = todos iguais (menos os ricos, q sao sempre maus)
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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #229 em: 2015-09-05 14:58:52 »
Só espero que os moralistas sejam os primeiros na linha de frente caso as coisas comecem a descambar na Europa, depois aí é que quero ver aonde andam os moralistas.

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os que tu chamas moralistas já estão a declarar no UK, na Alemanha em França, pela Europa toda, que recebem na sua propria casa os refugiados.
e que não precisam da ajuda de mais ninguém.

há muita gente com maus princípios.
mas há ainda mais gente boa.
e sempre haverá.

e não esquecer. é totalmente da minha vontade e liberdade individual que recebo refugiados na minha casa.
venha alguém querer incomodá-los, tem que vir bem armado.

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Ainda bem, cada um ajuda á sua maneira, eu eu ajudo á minha e a quem eu entendo, tal como tu.

Só espero estar errado quanto á minha visão, no entanto não gostava de ver um aumento na Europa de situações como esta:


https://www.facebook.com/1483069612009035/videos/1487645304884799/

The consequences of Mass Immigration: 'Cultural Enrichment' in Sweden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9up0CLLPPpo

Depois ainda temos este tipo de comportamentos:

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/internacional/italia/imigracao-muculmanos-atiram-companheiros-cristaos-fora-do-barco

Belo debate acerca do Islão
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=16&v=d8Ea9blBtuM   :o :o :o

Ninguém me convence que todos estes imigrantes serão bem sucedidos na Europa, vamos ver depois que tipo de  comportamentos terão essas pessoas quando não se conseguirem adaptar ás nossas sociedades, quando acabar os apoios sociais, quando começar a existir o aumento do Extremismo (para não falar de toda a complexidade do comportamento humano que é bastante imprevisível), depois aí quero ver como vamos resolver estes problemas .... mas é como digo, só espero estar ENGANADO.

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #230 em: 2015-09-05 15:08:48 »
basta ver o que se passa na suecia, franca, belgica para saber o futuro desses emigrantes : guetos, violencia, inadaptacao, odio a quem os recebe
querem emigrantes? deixem vir o chineses.
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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #231 em: 2015-09-05 15:16:01 »
os chineses sao melhores no comercio  que os nativos  ;)


ha sempre queixas
http://apodrecetuga.blogspot.pt/2011/06/lojas-chineses-arrasam-comercio.html#.Ver5sDnrgwo

« Última modificação: 2015-09-05 15:19:03 por Reg »
Democracia Socialista Democrata. igualdade de quem berra mais O que é meu é meu o que é teu é nosso

O problema dos comunistas, de tão supostamente empenhados que estão em ajudar as pessoas, é que deixam de acreditar que elas realmente existem.

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #232 em: 2015-09-05 15:45:00 »
Saí mais barato ao estado deixar entrar imigrantes do que apoiar a natalidade com muitos incentivos.


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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #233 em: 2015-09-05 17:06:34 »
Refugiados recusam ajuda por causa do símbolo da cruz vermelha ... OMG

https://www.facebook.com/240638706109428/videos/479634978876465/?pnref=story
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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #234 em: 2015-09-05 17:21:07 »
Refugiados recusam ajuda por causa do símbolo da cruz vermelha ... OMG

https://www.facebook.com/240638706109428/videos/479634978876465/?pnref=story

esses gajos sao o caixote do lixo da humanidade e agora vao entrar na europa, mamar subsidios e criar problemas e crime

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #235 em: 2015-09-05 17:53:51 »
o pais parece mais saturado dos mulculmanos  deve ser França.

ainda vao e votar na Le Pen.
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O problema dos comunistas, de tão supostamente empenhados que estão em ajudar as pessoas, é que deixam de acreditar que elas realmente existem.

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #236 em: 2015-09-05 18:01:31 »
alem de terem uma cultura nojenta da idade media e que despreza o conhecimento (algo essencial para ganharem bem hoje em dia) os gajos acham-se acima da lei
nao reconhecem legitimidade aos nossos governos e permitem-se qq imoralidade contra os cristaos. e qq crime nao eh criticavel pois estao a faze-lo numa sociedade
de infieis a quem nao reconhecem legitimidade para os governar.  portanto um arabe bem sucedido ate corre o risco de ser visto como um traidor e um vendido,
pela sua comunidade. como sao uns falhados odeiam ainda mais os locais pois ganham pouco ou estao desempregados. ficam ainda mais religiosos para compensarem esse
sentimento de inferioridade com a superioridade moral da sua religiao. qd tem sexo com as brancas desprezam-nas e acham que sao umas putas. estao so a usa-las. para casar vao aos
paises de origem onde arranjam uma virgem ignorante com casamento arranjado. depois esta ignorante eh que vai criar os seus filhos e ensina-los. como nao estudam 
um dia sao desempregados. conclusao? foram descriminados, claro.
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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #237 em: 2015-09-05 18:35:32 »
Depois ainda temos este tipo de comportamentos:

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/internacional/italia/imigracao-muculmanos-atiram-companheiros-cristaos-fora-do-barco

Esta é genial. Vamos ali à Europa ver se os infiéis nos acolhem (mas pelo caminho deitamos estes fora).

Diziam que a questão grega ia fazer recrudescer o nacionalismo mas o problema grego não é nada ao pé disto. Pode ser o grande pontapé de saída para grandes movimentos de extrema direita.

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #238 em: 2015-09-05 18:41:36 »
Depois ainda temos este tipo de comportamentos:

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/internacional/italia/imigracao-muculmanos-atiram-companheiros-cristaos-fora-do-barco

Esta é genial. Vamos ali à Europa ver se os infiéis nos acolhem (mas pelo caminho deitamos estes fora).

Diziam que a questão grega ia fazer recrudescer o nacionalismo mas o problema grego não é nada ao pé disto. Pode ser o grande pontapé de saída para grandes movimentos de extrema direita.


Sou da mesma opinião. Vai voltar os Cruzados

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Re: Temos de respeitar as outras culturas, não é ?
« Responder #239 em: 2015-09-05 18:56:41 »
em nome duma ideologia cega

ideologia cega é ajudar pessoas em dificuldades?
já sou um ideólogo desde os seis anos para aí. se calhar já era quando nasci.

isso bebe-se com o leite da mãe.

L

EDIT: deve ser o que o Inc chama formatação. se for, temo que seja irreversível.

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