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« Responder #2580 em: 2015-10-20 19:29:11 »
liberal para mim eh uma gaja oferecida
nao me digam que ja me roubaram a palavra???

tens a tua própria linguagem?
se tens, dá-me aí um link para o tradutor automático.
não há nada mais complicado do que coisas que são parecidas ou mesmo iguais mas têm significados diferentes.
na questão do presidente / presidenta, vieste com a tua vociferação anti-gramatical habitual.
mas não há melhor exemplo da propriedade e lógica da linguagem

é presidente. não tem género pode dizer-se 'a presidente'.

presidente significa o ente - a entidade - que preside. presidente.
se se souber estas pequenas coisas - como a etimologia - percebe-se a lógica subjacente à gramática e evita que cada um de nós construa a sua própria linguagem.
não que seja proíbido. é um direito fundamental do indíviduo criar e utilizar a sua própria linguagem. se não está na declaração universal dos direitos do homem, devia estar.
a questão é que seria uma grande confusão de narizes e iria contra o princípio básico que tu próprio citaste ' fazermo-nos compreender' (e não fazer-mo-nos como já vi escrito)*.
a google ganhava ainda mais uns ziliões a fazer um translator para cada um.

um grande bem-haja,
L


Infinitivo pessoal Presente
eu fazer-me
tu fazeres-te
ele fazer-se
nós fazermo-nos
vós fazerdes-vos
eles fazerem-se

*ou fazermonos que é ainda mais giro...
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« Responder #2581 em: 2015-10-20 20:00:52 »
Liberal Party of Canada

The Liberal Party of Canada (French: Parti libéral du Canada), colloquially known as the Grits, is the oldest federal political party in Canada.
The party espouses the principles of liberalism, and generally sits at the centre of the Canadian political spectrum.
Historically the Liberal Party has been positioned to the left of the Conservative Party of Canada and to the right of the New Democratic Party (NDP).[9]

The party dominated federal politics for much of Canada's history, holding power for almost 69 years in the 20th century—more than any other party in a developed country—which resulted in its being sometimes referred to as Canada's "natural governing party".

Among the party's signature policies and legislative accomplishments include universal health care, the Canada Pension Plan, Canada Student Loans, peacekeeping, multilateralism, official bilingualism, official multiculturalism, patriating the Canadian constitution and the entrenchment of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Clarity Act, restoring balanced budgets in the 1990s, and making same-sex marriage legal nationwide.

Liberalism

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. The former principle is stressed in classical liberalism while the latter is more evident in social liberalism. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programs such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, and international cooperation.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition.

Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property, while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law.

Prominent revolutionaries in the Glorious Revolution, the American Revolution, and the French Revolution used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of what they saw as tyrannical rule. Liberalism started to spread rapidly especially after the French Revolution. The 19th century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, South America, and North America.

In this period, the dominant ideological opponent of classical liberalism was conservatism, but liberalism later survived major ideological challenges from new opponents, such as fascism and communism.

During the 20th century, liberal ideas spread even further as liberal democracies found themselves on the winning side in both world wars. In Europe and North America, the establishment of social liberalism became a key component in the expansion of the welfare state.

Today, liberal parties continue to wield power and influence throughout the world.
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« Responder #2582 em: 2015-10-20 20:05:16 »
What Canada’s New Liberal Government Means for the U.S.

The U.S.-Canadian border is about to become a confusing place for pot smokers

From legal weed to free trade, Canada’s Liberal government comes to power with a platform likely to usher in changes that could to have significant impacts for the United States.

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau has promised to run budget deficits to fund a stimulus package aimed at updating Canada’s infrastructure and pumping life into its economy, which is currently in recession. A stimulus package could mean greater economic opportunities for American businesses in Canada, which buys more American exports than any other country.

Canada already has a decades-old free trade agreement with the United States but Trudeau’s Liberals could change the tenor of future trade negotiations. In a statement on the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a controversial trade deal supported by the Obama administration currently being negotiated among Pacific rim nations, Trudeau underlined his support for free trade while slamming the outgoing Conservative Party for not being transparent about negotiations. He promised “to be open and honest about the negotiation process, and immediately share all the details of any agreement.”

Trudeau has promised new investment in clean energy and to take action on climate change, though what, exactly, that might mean is unclear. Under a Liberal government, Canada is likely to be a more agreeable negotiating partner for countries seeking to make significant emissions cuts to fight climate change—Trudeau has committed to taking part in the Paris climate conference set for later this year. But Trudeau also supports the Keystone XL pipeline—a controversial project to connect Canada’s so called “tar sands” to the global energy market—which puts him at odds with the Obama administration.

The son of a former prime minister and at 43 an unusually youthful world leader, Trudeau has promised to legalize recreational marijuana in Canada. The end of marijuana prohibition in Canada would mean an even more odd arrangement along the U.S.-Canadian border in Washington State, where pot is legal and federal officials have declined to enforce the nationwide cannabis ban. Marijuana would then be legal and regulated on either side of the border but still a schedule one narcotic, alongside heroin and LSD, at the U.S. side of the border itself, which is under the jurisdiction of the federal government.

While the United States is in the midst of a presidential election in which immigration has emerged as a highly controversial, emotionally-charged issue, Canada’s Liberals have promised significant increases in the number of immigrants allowed into the country. The country has also pledged to take in 25,000 additional refugees from the Syrian Civil War, which is likely to put pressure on the White House to let in more Syrian refugees. In September, the Obama administration raised the ceiling on Syrian refugees allowed to settle in the U.S. to 10,000 per year, up from just 2,000 the year before.

Trudeau’s platform promises to “repeal problematic elements of Bill C-51.” Sometimes called Canada’s Patriot Act, Bill C-51 is a relatively new piece of legislation in Canada that gives the national security state expansive new powers to fight terrorism. Debate over passage of the bill was fraught with controversy, as critics say the measure tramples civil rights and hinders oversight of intelligence services. Trudeau has been vague on what specific elements of the law he would reverse, but scaling back elements of C-51 could lend momentum to privacy advocates in the United States, where debate over clandestine warfare and government surveillance has been raging since former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden’s document leak in 2013.

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« Responder #2583 em: 2015-10-20 20:50:05 »
Sem ver, a imigração para dentro dos U.S deve ser uma ordem de magnitude superior à imigração para dentro do Canadá.
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« Responder #2584 em: 2015-10-20 21:15:28 »
http://www.canadaparabrasileiros.com/acontece-no-canada/imigracao-vai-ficar-mais-seletiva/
http://info.abril.com.br/noticias/carreira/2015/02/canada-quer-profissionais-brasileiros-engenheiros-na-lista.shtml

Canada sempre controlo as entradas e bastante seletivo

As mudanças também se estenderam para o processo mais popular entre os brasileiros: a imigração via província de Quebec. Seguindo a mesmo tendência, a processo de Quebec quer agora dar preferência para profissões de maior demanda, além de passar a exigir o certificado de proficiência de francês (que anteriormente não era pedido nesse processo).
Segundo o ministro da Imigração Canadense, Jason Kenney, o objetivo das mudanças não é o de ‘fechar as portas’ mas sim selecionar melhor os candidatos a imigrantes. Como isso, explica, maiores serão as chances dos futuros imigrantes de se estabelecerem economicamente no país.
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« Responder #2585 em: 2015-10-20 21:18:41 »
Sem ver, a imigração para dentro dos U.S deve ser uma ordem de magnitude superior à imigração para dentro do Canadá.

o canada ha uns anos tinha bastante emigracao, era dos poucos paises que activamente procurava emigrantes qualificados em vez de receber o lixo que calha na rifa
qq um podia ir para la atraves de um sistema de pontos, eu pensei nisso a dada altura. muitos asiaticos vao para la.
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« Responder #2586 em: 2015-10-20 22:07:39 »
Something Not Rotten in Denmark
OCT. 19, 2015

No doubt surprising many of the people watching the Democratic presidential debate, Bernie Sanders cited Denmark as a role model for how to help working people. Hillary Clinton demurred slightly, declaring that “we are not Denmark,” but agreed that Denmark is an inspiring example.

Such an exchange would have been inconceivable among Republicans, who don’t seem able to talk about European welfare states without adding the word “collapsing.” Basically, on Planet G.O.P. all of Europe is just a bigger version of Greece. But how great are the Danes, really?

The answer is that the Danes get a lot of things right, and in so doing refute just about everything U.S. conservatives say about economics. And we can also learn a lot from the things Denmark has gotten wrong.

Denmark maintains a welfare state — a set of government programs designed to provide economic security — that is beyond the wildest dreams of American liberals. Denmark provides universal health care; college education is free, and students receive a stipend; day care is heavily subsidized. Overall, working-age families receive more than three times as much aid, as a share of G.D.P., as their U.S. counterparts.

To pay for these programs, Denmark collects a lot of taxes. The top income tax rate is 60.3 percent; there’s also a 25 percent national sales tax. Overall, Denmark’s tax take is almost half of national income, compared with 25 percent in the United States.


Describe these policies to any American conservative, and he would predict ruin. Surely those generous benefits must destroy the incentive to work, while those high taxes drive job creators into hiding or exile.

Strange to say, however, Denmark doesn’t look like a set from “Mad Max.” On the contrary, it’s a prosperous nation that does quite well on job creation. In fact, adults in their prime working years are substantially more likely to be employed in Denmark than they are in America. Labor productivity in Denmark is roughly the same as it is here, although G.D.P. per capita is lower, mainly because the Danes take a lot more vacation.

Nor are the Danes melancholy: Denmark ranks at or near the top on international comparisons of “life satisfaction.”

It’s hard to imagine a better refutation of anti-tax, anti-government economic doctrine, which insists that a system like Denmark’s would be completely unworkable.

But would Denmark’s model be impossible to reproduce in other countries? Consider France, another country that is much bigger and more diverse than Denmark, but also maintains a highly generous welfare state paid for with high taxes. You might not know this from the extremely bad press France gets, but the French, too, roughly match U.S. productivity, and are more likely than Americans to be employed during their prime working years. Taxes and benefits just aren’t the job killers right-wing legend asserts.

Going back to Denmark, is everything copacetic in Copenhagen? Actually, no. Denmark is very rich, but its economy has taken a hit in recent years, because its recovery from the global financial crisis has been slow and incomplete. In fact, Denmark’s 5.5 percent decline in real G.D.P. per capita since 2007 is comparable to the declines in debt-crisis countries like Portugal or Spain, even though Denmark has never lost the confidence of investors.

What explains this poor recent performance? The answer, mainly, is bad monetary and fiscal policy. Denmark hasn’t adopted the euro, but it manages its currency as if it had, which means that it has shared the consequences of monetary mistakes like the European Central Bank’s 2011 interest rate hike. And while the country has faced no market pressure to slash spending — Denmark can borrow long-term at an interest rate of only 0.84 percent — it has adopted fiscal austerity anyway.


The result is a sharp contrast with neighboring Sweden, which doesn’t shadow the euro (although it has made some mistakes on its own), hasn’t done much austerity, and has seen real G.D.P. per capita rise while Denmark’s falls.

But Denmark’s monetary and fiscal errors don’t say anything about the sustainability of a strong welfare state. In fact, people who denounce things like universal health coverage and subsidized child care tend also to be people who demand higher interest rates and spending cuts in a depressed economy. (Remember all the talk about “debasing” the dollar?) That is, U.S. conservatives actually approve of some Danish policies — but only the ones that have proved to be badly misguided.

So yes, we can learn a lot from Denmark, both its successes and its failures. And let me say that it was both a pleasure and a relief to hear people who might become president talk seriously about how we can learn from the experience of other countries, as opposed to just chanting “U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!”

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« Responder #2587 em: 2015-10-20 22:44:53 »
fala da dinamarca mas ignora deliberadamente o principal que la se passou pois convem-lhe, eh por estas que vejo o krugman como um economista aldrabao e mero activista politico
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« Responder #2588 em: 2015-10-20 22:57:29 »
fala da dinamarca mas ignora deliberadamente o principal que la se passou pois convem-lhe, eh por estas que vejo o krugman como um economista aldrabao e mero activista politico

o que se passou lá?

L
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« Responder #2589 em: 2015-10-20 23:00:38 »
fala da dinamarca mas ignora deliberadamente o principal que la se passou pois convem-lhe, eh por estas que vejo o krugman como um economista aldrabao e mero activista politico

o que se passou lá?

L

ja falei sobre isso, a mega bolha

repara q eu ate acho que ele tem razao em geral, cambios fixos sao uma *****
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« Responder #2590 em: 2015-10-20 23:05:23 »
fala da dinamarca mas ignora deliberadamente o principal que la se passou pois convem-lhe, eh por estas que vejo o krugman como um economista aldrabao e mero activista politico

o que se passou lá?

L

ja falei sobre isso, a mega bolha

repara q eu ate acho que ele tem razao em geral, cambios fixos sao uma *****

não se passou em todo o lado ou quase?
ele está a falar da recuperação pós-bolha.
de qualquer forma nunca ouvi falar de uma grande bolha imobiliária especial na Dinamarca.
ouvi falar na espanha. na irlanda. na dinamarca?
não queres pôr isso em contexto comparando com a espanha e a irlanda?

L
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« Responder #2591 em: 2015-10-20 23:12:19 »
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-09-18/danish-property-market-may-see-correction-amid-25-overvaluation

os preços das casas caíram cerca de 16% no país, face aos máximos verificados entre 2007 até ao primeiro trimestre de 2009, antes do fim do “boom” da construção e da concessão de empréstimos bancários. no segundo trimestre os preços caíram 3,2% e registou-se um recorde histórico de casas à venda.
à semelhança do que acontece em espanha, por exemplo, a economia dinamarquesa está bastante dependente do mercado imobiliário, sendo que este está em ponto morto, disse o expert niels roenholt. na opinião do economista, para a economia do país crescer seria preciso dar uma volta ao mercado da compra e venda de casas. outros especialistas estimam que muita riqueza imobiliária foi destruída depois de rebentar a bolha imobiliária, pelo que muitos consumidores estão a economizar um pouco dessa riqueza perdida
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« Responder #2592 em: 2015-10-20 23:16:38 »
fala da dinamarca mas ignora deliberadamente o principal que la se passou pois convem-lhe, eh por estas que vejo o krugman como um economista aldrabao e mero activista politico

o que se passou lá?

L

ja falei sobre isso, a mega bolha

repara q eu ate acho que ele tem razao em geral, cambios fixos sao uma *****

não se passou em todo o lado ou quase?
ele está a falar da recuperação pós-bolha.
de qualquer forma nunca ouvi falar de uma grande bolha imobiliária especial na Dinamarca.
ouvi falar na espanha. na irlanda. na dinamarca?
não queres pôr isso em contexto comparando com a espanha e a irlanda?

L

esás a falar da crise imobiliária de 2007/2008 (que na verdade começou em 2005/2006) ou algo mais recente?

L
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« Responder #2593 em: 2015-10-20 23:19:55 »
Scandinavian housing bubbles spark financial stability fears
Richard Milne, Nordic Correspondent

Fears of housing bubbles in the three Scandinavian capitals are rising, fuelled by unprecedented negative and record low interest rates in Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
Stories of frenzied bidding rounds and record-high prices are causing concern among policymakers and economists, as central banks in all three Scandinavian countries appear set to keep interest rates at historically low levels for several more years.

“We are worried about people not being aware that the situation we are currently in is not a normal situation [for rates],” said Steen Bocian, chief economist at Danske Bank. “The longer it lasts the more people will get used to it. It is this change in expectations that builds up a bubble.”
Few expect the bubble to burst soon, with official interest rates well into negative territory in Sweden and Denmark and at a historic low in Norway. Many fear that the damage could be great when rates do rise or the economies slow.

“What I’m really worried about is that we will have a recession and the housing bubble will burst and the recession will be much worse,” said Hilde Bjørnland, a professor of economics at BI business school in Oslo.

Apartment prices in Copenhagen have risen by a quarter in the past year and are up by about two-thirds since 2011, according to data from Danske. Danes can get a mortgage at a fixed net rate of just 2.9 per cent for 30 years, while average household debt is equivalent to three times their disposable income — the highest in the world.

In Norway, apartment prices have rocketed more than sevenfold since 1992. But despite worries about how the falling oil price is hurting the Norwegian economy the cost of housing has continued to gallop ahead, with a record number of dwellings sold in June.

Anecdotal evidence backs this up. The former home of the Soviet spy Rudolf Abel in an Oslo suburb sold for NKr6.1m ($750,000) this year, well above the NKr4.2m asking price. In Copenhagen, brokers talk of people buying places without seeing them.

“This market is so hot now. Low interest rates just allow people to bid more and more — and that is what they are doing,” one Oslo estate agent said.
Magdalena Andersson, Sweden’s finance minister, called a 13 per cent rise in house prices in the year to May a “worrying development”. Her Norwegian counterpart, Siv Jensen, said after the International Monetary Fund pointed to rising house prices and household debt as the main threats to financial stability: “I share the concern about rising housing prices.”

Analysis of the implications of negative interest rates for corporate treasurers and sovereign borrowers

Central bankers are also on high alert even as interest rates continue to tumble. Sweden’s Riksbank cut its main policy rate to minus 0.35 per cent last month; Denmark’s deposit rate is at minus 0.75 per cent; while Norway has cut rates twice since December to a record low of 1 per cent. “There is no doubt that house prices and debt levels are the main risks to this strategy,” said a Scandinavian central bank official.

Authorities are trying to take stabilisation measures but analysts query whether they are sufficient. Norway’s government is aiming to toughen up lending rules, while Sweden’s financial regulator tried but then backed down from plans to force mortgage holders to pay down their debt, not just interest.
Economists say proper measures would include tackling the tax system, which in all three Scandinavian countries grants tax deduction for interest payments.
“Politically it’s very difficult to do something about the housing market,” Mr Bocian said.

Prof Bjørnland said: “We have to face that some consumers are not rational. They take on extra risks and feel it is a bit like a bonanza and we can stretch even further than we should do.”

There are differences between the countries. Danish house prices crashed in 2008-09 as a result of the financial crisis in a way that Swedish and Norwegian ones did not, leaving locals with bad memories.

But the danger, say economists, is that people become used to such low interest rates and binge on debt.

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« Responder #2594 em: 2015-10-20 23:21:01 »
estou confuso.
estás a falar da bolha que passou ou da corrente?
ou a corrente já rebentou?

L
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« Responder #2595 em: 2015-10-20 23:22:54 »
fala da dinamarca mas ignora deliberadamente o principal que la se passou pois convem-lhe, eh por estas que vejo o krugman como um economista aldrabao e mero activista politico

o que se passou lá?

L

ja falei sobre isso, a mega bolha

repara q eu ate acho que ele tem razao em geral, cambios fixos sao uma *****

não se passou em todo o lado ou quase?
ele está a falar da recuperação pós-bolha.
de qualquer forma nunca ouvi falar de uma grande bolha imobiliária especial na Dinamarca.
ouvi falar na espanha. na irlanda. na dinamarca?
não queres pôr isso em contexto comparando com a espanha e a irlanda?

L

esás a falar da crise imobiliária de 2007/2008 (que na verdade começou em 2005/2006) ou algo mais recente?

L

estou a falar da bolha imobiliaria dinamarquesa, que deu tantas falencias bancarias
muitos paises europeus nao tiveram bolha imobiliaria
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Re: Krugman et al
« Responder #2596 em: 2015-10-20 23:30:04 »
fala da dinamarca mas ignora deliberadamente o principal que la se passou pois convem-lhe, eh por estas que vejo o krugman como um economista aldrabao e mero activista politico

o que se passou lá?

L

ja falei sobre isso, a mega bolha

repara q eu ate acho que ele tem razao em geral, cambios fixos sao uma *****

não se passou em todo o lado ou quase?
ele está a falar da recuperação pós-bolha.
de qualquer forma nunca ouvi falar de uma grande bolha imobiliária especial na Dinamarca.
ouvi falar na espanha. na irlanda. na dinamarca?
não queres pôr isso em contexto comparando com a espanha e a irlanda?

L

esás a falar da crise imobiliária de 2007/2008 (que na verdade começou em 2005/2006) ou algo mais recente?

L

estou a falar da bolha imobiliaria dinamarquesa, que deu tantas falencias bancarias
muitos paises europeus nao tiveram bolha imobiliaria

portanto a conhecida - 2007/2009 - ou algo assim.
foi maior que a espanhola ou a irlandesa?
em dimensão relativa foi maior que a americana?

L
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Re: Krugman et al
« Responder #2597 em: 2015-10-20 23:39:08 »
Os bancos europeus que tinham investido bastante no mercado americano do crédito hipotecário foram gravemente atingidos. Em muitos países da UE, como a Alemanha, a França, o Reino Unido, a Irlanda, a Dinamarca, os Países Baixos ou a Bélgica, os governos vieram em socorro de determinados bancos numa tentativa de evitar situações de falência. Mas os custos desses resgates revelaram-se muito elevados. Na Irlanda, quase levaram o país à falência, obrigando à intervenção de outros países da UE que disponibilizaram assistência financeira.

http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/explained/the_financial_and_economic_crisis/why_did_the_crisis_happen/index_pt.htm

pelo visto tiveram duas bolhas a nacional e a americana...
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Re: Krugman et al
« Responder #2598 em: 2015-10-20 23:59:14 »
Paul Krugman - New York Times Blog



David Beckworth pleads with fellow free-marketeers to stop claiming that low interest rates are “artificial” and comparing them to price controls. No, the Fed isn’t imposing a price ceiling on interest rates, he says; in fact, the zero lower bound is acting like a price floor.

He’s completely right about the economics. Monetary policy, in which the central bank buys and sells securities to change the monetary base, is nothing at all like price controls. Furthermore, we have a very clear model that tells us what interest rates would be in the absence of distortions and rigidities, the Wicksellian natural rate — the rate of interest consistent with an economy subject neither to inflationary overheating nor deflationary excess supply. And with inflation consistently below the generally accepted 2 percent target, this model says that the actual interest rate, at zero, is above the natural rate, not below.

But the question Beckworth should be asking himself is why almost nobody on the right is willing to think clearly about this issue.

It’s important to realize that we’re not just talking about monetary ignoramuses like Rand Paul and George Will. The “low interest rates = price controls” meme is bang-your-head-on-the-table stupid — but it has been made by none other than John Taylor. Clearly, this is a line of argument that people on the right really, really like for reasons that have nothing to do with intellectual coherence, so much so that famous monetary experts who have to know better fall meekly in line.

My take is that someone like Beckworth is trying to take the monetarist, Milton Friedman position, which is basically one of trusting markets to get it right except when it comes to the business cycle, where it becomes necessary to have expansionary monetary policies in slumps. This is a slightly problematic position on logical grounds: you need some kind of market failure to give monetary policy large real effects, and in that case why imagine that this is the only important failure? But more important, at this point, is the fact that this position turns out to be politically unsustainable. “Government is always the problem, not the solution, except when it comes to monetary policy” just doesn’t cut it for modern conservatives.

Nor did it cut it for traditional conservatives. Remember, during the 1930s people like Hayek were liquidationists, with Hayek specifically denouncing expansionary monetary policy during a slump as “the creation of artificial demand.” The era of Friedmanism, of free-market views paired with tolerance for monetary stimulus, was a temporary and unsustainable interlude, and no amount of sensible argumentation will bring it back.

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Re: Krugman et al
« Responder #2599 em: 2015-10-24 13:51:22 »
uma reflexão sobre rendimento, riqueza, pobreza e consumo. muito interessante.

Repeat after me: Wealth is not income and income is not consumption


            The recently published Oxfam report on the distribution of net wealth in the world, released  to coincide with the Davos meetings and showing that the global top 1% own almost one-half of world’s wealth, has generated lots of discussion. Some of it  reflects the misunderstanding of what distribution of wealth is, and it is on that specific critique that I would like to focus.

            The critique started by Felix Salmon (and continued by The Economist). Salmon in his piece entitled “Oxfam’s misleading wealth statistics” noticed in the Oxfam report (and in the report on which Oxfam study is based, Credit Suisse Global Wealth Report for 2014) that among the bottom decile  of adults, that is, among those with zero net wealth, there are about 40 million Americans and more than 50 million Europeans. That came as a shock: how can almost 100 million people from the rich world be among the poorest people on earth? (Other 80+% of the people in the bottom decile are from Africa, India, Latin America and Asia, as shown here in the graph from Credit Suisse report.)



            Salmon and others are perhaps not aware that, from the works published by Ed Wolff during the last 20 years and based on US Survey of Consumer Finances, we have known for years (see the graph below) that up to about one-fifth of American households have zero net wealth. When you exclude housing, the percentage of those with zero or negative net worth comes close to 30. How is net wealth defined? It is the sum of housing, cash, checking and savings deposits, financial assets such as stocks and bonds, and current cash value of life insurance and pension plans minus all liabilities (mortgages, loans). Most of the poor and the middle class have almost no financial assets, but their main assets is the homes they “own”.  “Own” here comes between the quotes because a large chunk, and at times (as when hosing prices go down) more than 100% of the value of one’s home may be owned by a bank. A person has then a negative housing wealth. Add to that car loans, school loans, credit card loans, and you can see how a large chunk of American households may have negative or zero wealth, and how in the wake of the recent recession that percentage increased by about 3 points (or about 10 million individuals).



From Ed Wolff’s slides “Household Wealth Trends in the US, 1962-2013: What Happened over the Great Recession?” presented at CUNY Graduate center, October 7, 2014.

            Among the advanced economies, wealth-poverty is not limited to the United States. In Germany  27% of households (as of 2013) have negative or zero net wealth (paper by Markus Grabka and Christian Westermeier). So these people would be also included among the wealth-poorest people in the world.

            Is this an anomaly? Does it make the study of wealth inequality meaningless?  According to the critics of the Oxfam report it does, because the wealth-poor people from the rich countries do not necessarily lead a life of poverty. Thanks to deep financial systems that exist in rich countries they can borrow and keep their consumption relatively high all the while driving their net wealth down to zero. In effect, borrowing is simultaneously a way to keep consumption high (above your income which may be also high by global standards) and driving your net wealth down to zero. Thus, we have people who are absolutely poor by wealth standards while their income or consumption  may place them around the 60th, 70th or even higher global percentile.

            But the “anomaly” is solely in the minds of the critics. Distribution of net wealth is not the same thing as distribution of consumption or income. Each of these aggregates has its own uses. If one wants to look at people whose real consumption is minimal, who live at the edge of subsistence, one should look at the global distribution of consumption with its famous poverty line of $1 (now $1.25) international dollars per capita per day. This is what the World Bank has been doing since 1990. There are no people from the rich countries among the consumption-poor. Even the poorest people from the advanced economies have a much higher level of consumption (at least around $12-$15 international dollars per day).

            It is a wrong belief that there should be one and only one measure that would give us the answer who is poor and who is rich. The three welfare aggregates (wealth, income and consumption) are related but they are not the same. (And I leave out other “details” like the distinction between net income, that is, after-fisc income, and market income or income before any government transfers and taxes.) There are people who are poor or middle class according to one measure but rich according to another. Wealth is not income nor is income consumption.

            Depending on what we want to study, we may focus on one or another aggregate. If standard of living is our concern, consumption is probably the best measure; it is also probably the best measure for long-term (lifetime) income. But if our interest is to look at the potential consumption that one can afford without reducing her assets, then income is a better measure. One may consider a decision to save out of a high income, and thus to choose to have a relatively low consumption, as not different from a decision to use one’s income to buy restaurant meals instead of a car. It is just a decision of what to do, or not to do, with your income that only the income-rich have the luxury to make. They can choose; others cannot.

            But note also that there may be reverse cases, people with zero income whose consumption is relatively high (e.g., those who, after working for  several years and saving money, might take a couple of years off to go back go school). Or, as mentioned before, there may be people with reasonably high both income and consumption, and yet zero net wealth. You may even find people with very high net wealth and huge negative incomes, as happened in 2007 when the stock market crashed, and some billionaires lost millions of dollars. By the income metric, they were the poorest people on the planet that year. Is it wrong? Is it sully? Does it mean that we should not study income or consumption or wealth distributions? Not at all: we need them all but we need to know what the numbers we get mean.

            There are very good reasons to study distribution of net wealth, globally and within countries. Even for those people in the rich world who are “anomalously” placed among the wealth-poor and who may lead nice lives despite owning nothing, a shock in the form of a medical emergency (unless there is public health care), or loss of job may have catastrophic consequences. There is just no wealth to fall back on to tide you over the bad times. A decline in the value of the main asset (housing) had similar consequences for many people in the US during the recent crisis. Finally, wealth, especially when we look at the rich, is the source of both economic and political power. It is not people who are running huge, and hard to repay, credit card debts, who are likely to be "players" by contributing to the political campaigns, influencing policy and setting legislative agenda. It is the global top 1% who own half of world's wealth, or within the United States, the top 1% who own about 35% of net wealth, who wield political influence.

            To conclude: one has to be aware of what each measures does and what your objective is, before your decide that just because your think that the measure should show something it does not, you declare it a “silly” or “pointless exercise.”



NB. The Oxfam report is based on Credit Suisse 2014 report on global distribution of wealth. Credit Suisse reports in turn are based on the seminal work done by Jim Davies, Susanna Sandström, Tony Shorrocks and Ed Wolff on global distribution of wealth published in 2011. The global distribution data are pieced together from countries Household Balance sheets, wealth surveys, and finally, if data are  missing, through a regression-based relationship between income and wealth inequality. Luckily, however, actual data do exist for the main countries, US, China, most of Western Europe, India, Brazil and Russia. This, while global wealth data are even more difficult to put together than income or consumption data, and are subject to an even greater  margin of error, this work is the best estimate of global wealth inequality that we have.


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