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« Responder #560 em: 2015-11-21 21:40:56 »
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Molenbeek broke my heart - A former resident refletcs on his struggles with Brussels’ most notorious neighborhood



Molenbeek, Belgium’s ‘Jihad Central’


BRUSSELS — The shocking and bloody attacks in Paris on Friday, Nov. 13, left a trail leading to France’s small northern neighbor, Belgium — more precisely to its capital, Brussels, and to a specific district, Molenbeek.

Here, weeds line the sidewalks and dilapidated buildings stand next to modest houses, like a few rotten teeth that were never pulled or fixed. In this down-at-the-heels but vibrant borough of nearly 100,000 people, about 40 percent are Muslims, and about three-quarters of them are of Moroccan origin or ancestry. This community dates back to the 1960s, when a demand for labor led to a wave of immigration from Morocco.

What is striking about Brussels is that, unlike Paris, where the immigrant neighborhoods, or banlieues, are banished to the periphery, ours are at the heart of the capital. Molenbeek is easily reachable by bus and Metro, and a mere 25-minute walk to the city center.

Molenbeek was originally a factory district located at a nexus of canals and railways in Brussels — known as “Little Manchester” because of the concentration of industry. Eventually, the factories closed, and Molenbeek became a working-class residential area — and a home to new immigrants, where you will find lively teahouses and snack bars where men enter laughing, calling one another sahbi, my friend.

But Molenbeek is also home to terrorist plotters.

The assassination of the Afghan anti-Taliban commander Ahmed Shah Massoud, immediately before the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001; the train bombings in Madrid in 2004; and the killing of four people at the Brussels Jewish Museum in 2014. And just this year the foiled shooting on a high-speed train, the anti-terrorist raid in the eastern Belgian town of Verviers, the attack on a Paris kosher supermarket and, finally, the Nov. 13 attacks on the French capital — all had some connection to Molenbeek.


What makes Molenbeek such a hotbed for Islamist radicalism?

The most obvious reason is the deep divisions in Belgian society. The country suffers from a form of linguistic apartheid that divides the Dutch-speaking Flemings and the French-speaking Walloons. Listening to their respective media outlets and politicians, you could be forgiven for thinking that the country of Belgium doesn’t exist. The two communities live completely apart.

This also leads to administrative dysfunction: Belgium has no less than six governments: a federal government, a Flemish government for the Flanders region, a government of the French community, a government of the German-speaking community, a government of the Walloon region and a government of the Brussels-Capital Region.

This fragmentation of political authority is replicated at the municipal level, partly because the country has always had a strong tradition of local government derived from the belief that political leaders should be close to their communities and know their people’s needs. However, this tradition has fostered an environment in which politicians strive to secure their own fiefs and preserve their own positions.

Nowhere is this better illustrated than in Brussels itself, which is governed like a small city-state — with 19 districts, each with its own mayor, and six police authorities, which only reluctantly work together, and sometimes not at all. Political distrust between mayors from different parties or between rich and poor city districts sometimes translates into a total lack of communication and coordination.

Hans Bonte, the mayor of Vilvoorde, a northern suburb of Brussels where several foreign fighters come from, calls the capital’s security arrangements “a perfect example of organized chaos.”

Among the deficiencies of the Belgian intelligence community has been a lack of Arabic speakers at the Belgian State Security Service, as well as a failure to recruit former radicals or even people from Muslim backgrounds. Painfully aware of the problem, Justice Minister Koen Geens recently told the Flemish daily newspaper De Morgen that the government is now in the process of recruiting Arabic-speaking analysts: “Recruiting specific profiles takes time. They have to be screened, pass the tests,” he said. “We are working on this.”

That police and intelligence officers largely left radicals alone, assuming that potential jihadists could be easily monitored by informers, has proved another tactical blunder — one for which some blame the Socialist mayor of Molenbeek from 1993 until 2012, Philippe Moureaux. Critics say that Mr. Moureaux, a popular figure in Molenbeek, was responsible for the hands-off policy for fear that more intrusive policing might anger the district’s Muslim voters.

Johan Leman, a sociology professor emeritus at the University of Leuven, argues that it’s too easy to pin all responsibility on the former mayor: “This is bigger than one man.” Mr. Leman, who is also the chairman of Foyer, an organization that works to integrate minorities in Molenbeek, says that it was a police and intelligence problem: “When I warned police and security personnel in 1999 about the danger of the radical sheikh Bassam Ayachi, they didn’t seem alarmed.”

In Mr. Leman’s view, both the Flanders and Brussels governments have done far too little grass-roots work to prevent the radicalization of young people. Only the Flanders government has a specific integration program, which is responsible only for the Flemish part of the country. In Brussels, people can enroll in a voluntary integration program. The Walloon government focuses on broader socioeconomic integration, but has no specific integration policy.

What is striking about the homegrown jihadist activities in Molenbeek is that the district has functioned as a kind of base camp for attacks on France, rather than on Belgium itself. Apparently, Brussels is deemed a safe hide out conveniently close to France — the real target.

The latest attacks in Paris have deeply embarrassed Belgian politicians. Interior Minister Jan Jambon promised this week on a Belgian TV channel to “wipe Molenbeek clean.”

But acting in haste could be counterproductive. Most of Molenbeek’s inhabitants are appalled by what has occurred in their midst. Tough talk and clumsy actions could alienate vital allies in the Muslim community.

Belgium needs a multifaceted response that brings together the different police authorities, targets potential jihadists and strengthens the security community by hiring Arabic speakers. But there must also be investment in grass-roots initiatives involving Muslim youth and preachers to prevent radicalization in the community.

This is Belgium’s chance to cast off its reputation as Europe’s leading exporter of jihadists. But if it is handled badly, Brussels could become a target, rather than a base, for Islamist terrorism.

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« Responder #561 em: 2015-11-22 04:07:28 »
'ISIS want a civil war'

Mary fitzgerald reports from Paris on the mood after the worst attacks in France since World War II. She warns that a surge in anti-Muslim sentiment could play into the hands of the terrorists, and talks to a former ISIS captive who saw the jihadists up close

Few people have experienced the brutality of ISIS up close and lived to tell the tale as Nicolas Henin has done. The French journalist was held hostage by ISIS for 10 months before being released, along with a number of compatriots, in April last year. Several of his fellow hostages, including American journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, were later killed by their captors, their beheadings filmed in what has now become an all too familiar part of ISIS propaganda. One of Henin's jailers was the infamous Mohammed Emwazi, known as Jihadi John, believed to have been killed in a recent US drone strike in Syria.

Last Friday week, ISIS came to Paris, the city Henin grew up in and still calls home. Targeting Parisians who were kicking off their weekend attending a France-Germany game at a football stadium, or watching a Californian heavy metal band perform, or eating at a restaurant, the ISIS militants killed 129 people in coordinated attacks. At least 350 people were also wounded, with scores of people still critically injured. France has been reeling since.

Henin, who recently published a book on ISIS titled Jihad Academy, has spent the past week cautioning his compatriots against falling into a trap set by what he describes as "street kids drunk on ideology and power" who are convinced of an apocalyptic confrontation between Muslims and others.

"With their news and social media interest, they will be noting everything that follows their murderous assault on Paris, and my guess is that right now the chant among them will be 'We are winning'. They will be heartened by every sign of overreaction, of division, of fear, of racism, of xenophobia," he wrote.

"Central to their world view is the belief that communities cannot live together with Muslims, and every day their antennae will be tuned towards finding supporting evidence. The pictures from Germany of people welcoming migrants will have been particularly troubling to them. Cohesion, tolerance - it is not what they want to see."

As the contours of the attacks on Paris become clearer and French security services continue to pursue those believed to have orchestrated them, one thing is certain: their objective was to plant discord in an already brittle society and to provoke a retaliatory response that would bolster ISIS's narrative of persecution.

France was already trying to deal with the fallout from a series of attacks in the capital earlier this year when militants killed 17 people in raids on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket. In the immediate aftermath of those attacks, there were mass public rallies across France and appeals for solidarity and unity.

But the public mood in the months since had taken on a darker tone. In France's second city, Marseille, where I live, members of the far-right National Front have tried to exploit the tragedy to whip up anti-Muslim feeling in a city which is home to one of the country's largest Muslim populations.

Despite all the calls for people not to conflate the actions of a small band of extremist murderers with Islam more generally, a slight but unmistakable "us versus them" sentiment began creeping into public discourse in France.

It was noticeable that no grand public appeals for solidarity have followed the attacks of last week. There have been no large demonstrations, only the sense of a nation knocked sideways. Newspaper headlines reflected what appeared to be a hardening of the public mood. "This time, it is war," was a common theme.

Many French Muslims - estimated, at around five million strong, to be Europe's largest Muslim population - are fearful as the National Front and its supporters see opportunity. In the weeks following the Charlie Hebdo attacks, France's National Observatory Against Islamophobia saw a 281pc increase in anti-Muslim incidents compared to the previous year.

Last weekend a Moroccan was beaten up during an anti-immigration rally by extreme-right youths in Brittany. Mosques have been vandalised in Paris and other parts of the country. Jean-Pierre Filiu, an expert on the Middle East and Islam, told France-Inter radio that what ISIS wanted "is that today in Paris and in France, Muslims are killed in reprisal. They want a civil war in France".

Several Muslims died in the attacks of last Friday week, among them a violinist, an architect, a receptionist and a shop assistant. Another pulled two injured women to safety as the street outside the restaurant he worked in was raked in gunfire.

A video condemning the attacks, which was produced by a group of French Muslim students, has been shared on social media.

"They invoke the Quran, and quote its verses," the video voiceover intones as the students hold signs bearing the hashtag #NousSommesUnis ('We are united'). "But shedding the blood of an innocent has no justification, not in Islam or anywhere." The voiceover continues: "They wanted France to be weak. They made our French hearts strong."

Khadija, a Muslim student who lives in Paris, is worried about a spike in anti-Muslim feeling as France tries to come to terms with what happened this month.

"The worst thing that could happen is that people think these killers represent something more than their twisted ideology," she says. "ISIS has killed more Muslims than non-Muslims in places like Syria and Iraq. Just days before the Paris attacks they killed more than 40 people in Beirut. They are everyone's enemy and we need to fight them together, not allow them to divide us. That is exactly what they want to see."

All five identified perpetrators of the attacks in Paris are EU citizens. They are among the thousands of Europeans who have joined the ranks of ISIS, many of whom have blooded themselves in Syria and Iraq before returning home. Most of the attackers were French.

"We know, and it is cruel to say it, that on Friday it was French who killed other French," President François Hollande told a rare joint emergency session of parliament last Monday. "There are, living on our soil, individuals who from delinquency go on to radicalisation and then to terrorist criminality."

Such rhetoric, with its undertones of "the enemy within", makes many in France uneasy, seeing in it soft echoes of the language used by the far-right, which hopes to make gains in forthcoming regional elections.

Officials have been calling for closer monitoring of mosques, extending the state of emergency and imposing restrictions on the 10,000 or more people classified as potential threats to state security. With distrust, and sometimes even hostility, growing, France finds itself pulled in different directions.

"There has been a definite hardening on all levels. You can hear it, you can feel it," says Jean-Louis, a clerical worker in Paris. "But the problem is this will feed the National Front. In my view the National Front and the extremists need each other to reinforce their own message. We must resist this."

Nicolas Henin, who opposed the French bombardment of locations in Syria associated with ISIS, including the town of Raqqa, that followed the Paris attacks, argues that while revenge was perhaps inevitable, what is needed is deliberation.

"My fear is that this reaction will make a bad situation worse," he says. "There is much we can achieve in the aftermath of this atrocity, and the key is strong hearts and resilience, for that is what they fear. I know them: bombing they expect. What they fear is unity."

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"Só escapou o miúdo que se escondeu debaixo do meu casaco"

22 de NOVEMBRO de 2015

É um dos momentos que o vocalista dos Eagles of Death Metal não vai esquecer. A banda californiana perdeu quatro elementos da equipa no ataque ao Bataclan.

Pela primeira vez, o grupo que tocava no momento em que os terroristas entraram, fala sobre aquela noite. É uma entrevista ao canal de música Vice, que será transmitida na íntegra apenas na próxima semana.

A jornalista Guilhermina Sousa escutou o vídeo disponível com parte da entrevista

Num curto excerto agora divulgado, a voz trémula de Jesse Hughes, o vocalista, descreve os instantes em que "os assassinos entraram no nosso camarim" e desataram a "matar toda a gente".

Apenas uma pessoa escapou. Era "o miúdo que se escondeu debaixo do meu casaco".

Nos primeiros momentos do curto vídeo, Jesse mal consegue levantar os olhos da mesa. Recua no tempo e a memória traz-lhe imagens de pessoas "que se fingiram de mortas, estavam tão assustadas"!

Um dos "principais motivos por que morreu tanta gente" é fácil de explicar. É que "muitos não quiseram deixar os amigos". Muitos tentaram travar os terroristas, "atravessando-se" no seu caminho.

Todos os elementos dos Eagles of Death Metal sobreviveram ao ataque do Daesh ao Bataclan. Mas a banda perdeu alguns elementos da equipa com a qual trabalha.

A Vice conta que morreram quatro pessoas que davam apoio à banda: o responsável pelo "merchandising" e três membros da editora.

http://www.vice.com/read/coming-soon-the-eagles-of-death-metal-speak-out-for-the-first-time-since-the-paris-attacks

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« Responder #563 em: 2015-11-22 12:39:35 »
'ISIS want a civil war'

Mary fitzgerald reports from Paris on the mood after the worst attacks in France since World War II. She warns that a surge in anti-Muslim sentiment could play into the hands of the terrorists, and talks to a former ISIS captive who saw the jihadists up close

Few people have experienced the brutality of ISIS up close and lived to tell the tale as Nicolas Henin has done. The French journalist was held hostage by ISIS for 10 months before being released, along with a number of compatriots, in April last year. Several of his fellow hostages, including American journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, were later killed by their captors, their beheadings filmed in what has now become an all too familiar part of ISIS propaganda. One of Henin's jailers was the infamous Mohammed Emwazi, known as Jihadi John, believed to have been killed in a recent US drone strike in Syria.

Last Friday week, ISIS came to Paris, the city Henin grew up in and still calls home. Targeting Parisians who were kicking off their weekend attending a France-Germany game at a football stadium, or watching a Californian heavy metal band perform, or eating at a restaurant, the ISIS militants killed 129 people in coordinated attacks. At least 350 people were also wounded, with scores of people still critically injured. France has been reeling since.

Henin, who recently published a book on ISIS titled Jihad Academy, has spent the past week cautioning his compatriots against falling into a trap set by what he describes as "street kids drunk on ideology and power" who are convinced of an apocalyptic confrontation between Muslims and others.

"With their news and social media interest, they will be noting everything that follows their murderous assault on Paris, and my guess is that right now the chant among them will be 'We are winning'. They will be heartened by every sign of overreaction, of division, of fear, of racism, of xenophobia," he wrote.

"Central to their world view is the belief that communities cannot live together with Muslims, and every day their antennae will be tuned towards finding supporting evidence. The pictures from Germany of people welcoming migrants will have been particularly troubling to them. Cohesion, tolerance - it is not what they want to see."

As the contours of the attacks on Paris become clearer and French security services continue to pursue those believed to have orchestrated them, one thing is certain: their objective was to plant discord in an already brittle society and to provoke a retaliatory response that would bolster ISIS's narrative of persecution.

France was already trying to deal with the fallout from a series of attacks in the capital earlier this year when militants killed 17 people in raids on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket. In the immediate aftermath of those attacks, there were mass public rallies across France and appeals for solidarity and unity.

But the public mood in the months since had taken on a darker tone. In France's second city, Marseille, where I live, members of the far-right National Front have tried to exploit the tragedy to whip up anti-Muslim feeling in a city which is home to one of the country's largest Muslim populations.

Despite all the calls for people not to conflate the actions of a small band of extremist murderers with Islam more generally, a slight but unmistakable "us versus them" sentiment began creeping into public discourse in France.

It was noticeable that no grand public appeals for solidarity have followed the attacks of last week. There have been no large demonstrations, only the sense of a nation knocked sideways. Newspaper headlines reflected what appeared to be a hardening of the public mood. "This time, it is war," was a common theme.

Many French Muslims - estimated, at around five million strong, to be Europe's largest Muslim population - are fearful as the National Front and its supporters see opportunity. In the weeks following the Charlie Hebdo attacks, France's National Observatory Against Islamophobia saw a 281pc increase in anti-Muslim incidents compared to the previous year.

Last weekend a Moroccan was beaten up during an anti-immigration rally by extreme-right youths in Brittany. Mosques have been vandalised in Paris and other parts of the country. Jean-Pierre Filiu, an expert on the Middle East and Islam, told France-Inter radio that what ISIS wanted "is that today in Paris and in France, Muslims are killed in reprisal. They want a civil war in France".

Several Muslims died in the attacks of last Friday week, among them a violinist, an architect, a receptionist and a shop assistant. Another pulled two injured women to safety as the street outside the restaurant he worked in was raked in gunfire.

A video condemning the attacks, which was produced by a group of French Muslim students, has been shared on social media.

"They invoke the Quran, and quote its verses," the video voiceover intones as the students hold signs bearing the hashtag #NousSommesUnis ('We are united'). "But shedding the blood of an innocent has no justification, not in Islam or anywhere." The voiceover continues: "They wanted France to be weak. They made our French hearts strong."

Khadija, a Muslim student who lives in Paris, is worried about a spike in anti-Muslim feeling as France tries to come to terms with what happened this month.

"The worst thing that could happen is that people think these killers represent something more than their twisted ideology," she says. "ISIS has killed more Muslims than non-Muslims in places like Syria and Iraq. Just days before the Paris attacks they killed more than 40 people in Beirut. They are everyone's enemy and we need to fight them together, not allow them to divide us. That is exactly what they want to see."

All five identified perpetrators of the attacks in Paris are EU citizens. They are among the thousands of Europeans who have joined the ranks of ISIS, many of whom have blooded themselves in Syria and Iraq before returning home. Most of the attackers were French.

"We know, and it is cruel to say it, that on Friday it was French who killed other French," President François Hollande told a rare joint emergency session of parliament last Monday. "There are, living on our soil, individuals who from delinquency go on to radicalisation and then to terrorist criminality."

Such rhetoric, with its undertones of "the enemy within", makes many in France uneasy, seeing in it soft echoes of the language used by the far-right, which hopes to make gains in forthcoming regional elections.

Officials have been calling for closer monitoring of mosques, extending the state of emergency and imposing restrictions on the 10,000 or more people classified as potential threats to state security. With distrust, and sometimes even hostility, growing, France finds itself pulled in different directions.

"There has been a definite hardening on all levels. You can hear it, you can feel it," says Jean-Louis, a clerical worker in Paris. "But the problem is this will feed the National Front. In my view the National Front and the extremists need each other to reinforce their own message. We must resist this."

Nicolas Henin, who opposed the French bombardment of locations in Syria associated with ISIS, including the town of Raqqa, that followed the Paris attacks, argues that while revenge was perhaps inevitable, what is needed is deliberation.

"My fear is that this reaction will make a bad situation worse," he says. "There is much we can achieve in the aftermath of this atrocity, and the key is strong hearts and resilience, for that is what they fear. I know them: bombing they expect. What they fear is unity."

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Isso poderia ser reescrito para os nazis, para os comunistas, ou para qualquer ideologia que procure o domínio.

Pouco interessa, pois apaziguá-los é impossível.
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O padrinho da Máfia ameaça o Estado Islâmico

O que se pode dizer quando uma organização terrorista ameaça outra organização terrorista? O padrinho da Máfia siciliana de Nova Iorque, Giovanni Gambino, avisou o Estado Islâmico para nem sequer pensar em atacar a ‘grande maçã’.

“A Máfia tem uma má reputação, mas uma grande parte não é justa. Como em tudo na vida, há coisas boas, coisas más e coisas feias. A ascensão global do terrorismo abre uma oportunidade para a Máfia mostrar o seu lado bom”, afirmou Giovanni Gambino.

As autoridades de Nova Iorque podem não gostar da Máfia siciliana, mas o padrinho salientou que a organização não vai permitir que o ISIS se atreva a atacar na ‘cidade que nunca dorme’.
 
Afinal, a organização siciliana já tem “raízes” por toda a cidade e nenhum afilhado irá permitir que alguém suspeito comece a formar uma célula jihadista.

“O mundo está perigoso nos dias de hoje, mas as pessoas que vivem em Nova Iorque e nos arredores devem sentir-se seguras graças às conexões sicilianas. Nós garantimos que os nossos amigos e familiares estão protegidos contra extremistas e terroristas, especialmente da organização brutal e psicopata que se autoproclama Estado Islâmico”, afirmou Giovanni Gambino.

As declarações do padrinho foram feitas durante a presença num programa televisivo de entretenimento da NBC News. Apesar de ser famoso por liderar a Máfia em Nova Iorque, Giovanni Gambino tem um percurso profissional ‘limpo’, sendo um conhecido investidor nos meios cinematográficos.

Aliás, a entrevista à NBC News foi motivada pelo lançamento de um livro, pois o padrinho é também autor de obras que abordam histórias – ficcionadas, garante – de atividades da Máfia.

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« Responder #565 em: 2015-11-22 15:59:03 »
essa do Gambino é ridicula


Nao sei se ja viram isto mas esta muito bom.... "por dentro do califado"  , reportagem no terreno e dentro dos EI.... os que as pessoas fazem para ganhar um premio jornalistico...

Sao 5 partes de curta duraçao..

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« Responder #566 em: 2015-11-22 17:00:59 »
Impressionante , as mesmas tecnicas ou parecidas com  as dos ditos regimes de ditadura....
Lavagem cerebral a começar pelas crianças...um horror

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« Responder #567 em: 2015-11-22 19:02:02 »
essa do Gambino é ridicula


Nao sei se ja viram isto mas esta muito bom.... "por dentro do califado"  , reportagem no terreno e dentro dos EI.... os que as pessoas fazem para ganhar um premio jornalistico...

Sao 5 partes de curta duraçao..

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essa eh a especialidade dos tipos da Vice, fazem muitas coisas arriscadas
a mais gira para mim foi a reportagem na liberia sobre os canibais
nada como ver os resultados de ter os afro-americanos a solta a mandar no seu proprio pais

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« Responder #568 em: 2015-11-22 19:33:53 »
Be Kind; Everyone You Meet is Fighting a Battle.
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« Responder #569 em: 2015-11-22 19:37:47 »
o problema e quando os atacam paris tem passaporte frances
Democracia Socialista Democrata. igualdade de quem berra mais O que é meu é meu o que é teu é nosso

O problema dos comunistas, de tão supostamente empenhados que estão em ajudar as pessoas, é que deixam de acreditar que elas realmente existem.

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« Responder #570 em: 2015-11-22 19:38:51 »
o problema e quando os atacam paris tem passaporte frances

e?

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« Responder #571 em: 2015-11-22 19:42:07 »
porque achas paris ja leva varios ataques  e resto europa o consegue parar

aquele do metro foi sorte ser anulado por  americanos melitares de ferias em paris...
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« Responder #572 em: 2015-11-22 19:43:32 »
porque achas paris ja leva varios ataques  e resto europa o consegue parar

aquele do metro foi sorte serem americanos de ferias em paris...

não estou a seguir o raciocínio. onde queres chegar?

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Re: "Estado Islamico"....
« Responder #573 em: 2015-11-22 19:46:26 »
paris so sera seguro quando ficar estado policial ( o que altamente impopular)

porque se forem controlar todos os  malucos defendem (sharia por exemplo ) sao perto 1 milhao so paris


sao acima 6 milhoes so 1 milhao parece ter sentimentos pelas vitimas
http://www.publico.pt/mundo/noticia/um-milhao-de-muculmanos-franceses-oraram-pelas-vitimas-do-terrorismo-1715119
grande parte dos foram prestar homenagem sao como Camélia, uma marroquina que vive em Montreuil, nos arredores de Paris, há 11 anos, não pratica o cultona cidade, só que ouviu a convocatória do reitor da mesquita de Paris e veio de propósito
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Re: "Estado Islamico"....
« Responder #574 em: 2015-11-22 20:19:46 »
paris so sera seguro quando ficar estado policial

porque se forem controlar todos os  malucos defendem (sharia por exemplo ) sao perto 1 milhao so paris


sao acima 6 milhoes so 1 milhao parece ter sentimentos pelas vitimas
http://www.publico.pt/mundo/noticia/um-milhao-de-muculmanos-franceses-oraram-pelas-vitimas-do-terrorismo-1715119
grande parte dos foram prestar homenagem sao como Camélia, uma marroquina que vive em Montreuil, nos arredores de Paris, há 11 anos, não pratica o culto


pois, a ideia do cartoon que postei acima é exactamente a contrária.
o que os terroristas querem é precisamente a instauração de um estado policial.
quando o ocidente fizer isso, eles terão vencido.

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Re: "Estado Islamico"....
« Responder #575 em: 2015-11-22 20:45:15 »
quem quer defender os valores das sociedades abertas devia comecar por nao defender politicas de emigracao que poem a causa a uniao interna, confianca e seguranca em que se baseiam
eh bastante parvo primeiro defender ideias que aumentam a inseguranca e o medo e depois queixar-se das consequencias nefastas para a liberdade, como se nao houvesse relacao

eh a mesma coisa com as fronteiras, quem defende schengen so pode tambem defender fronteiras externas funcionais porque sem elas schengen nao sobrevivera.
isto sao coisas logicas, eh so ter um cerbero para pensar. a liberdade moderna so existe num clima de confianca.

as ideias da loonie left sobre isto sao em geral impossiveis, irracionais, ilogicas, incoerentes e dao em desastres como o actual
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Re: "Estado Islamico"....
« Responder #576 em: 2015-11-22 21:04:58 »
paris so sera seguro quando ficar estado policial ( o que altamente impopular)

porque se forem controlar todos os  malucos defendem (sharia por exemplo ) sao perto 1 milhao so paris


sao acima 6 milhoes so 1 milhao parece ter sentimentos pelas vitimas
http://www.publico.pt/mundo/noticia/um-milhao-de-muculmanos-franceses-oraram-pelas-vitimas-do-terrorismo-1715119
grande parte dos foram prestar homenagem sao como Camélia, uma marroquina que vive em Montreuil, nos arredores de Paris, há 11 anos, não pratica o cultona cidade, só que ouviu a convocatória do reitor da mesquita de Paris e veio de propósito


Não percebi bem o raciocínio.
Um milhão é acima ou abaixo da frequência habitual na oração de sexta à tarde?
Se está acima é porque pessoas que geralmente não vão à mesquita foram. Se está abaixo então os fundamentalistas faltaram.
Não sei bem se há alguma hierarquia nos dias da oração, mas 1 milhão (que deve ser um mº atirado para o ar) parece-me extremamente elevado.
Os muçulmanos tem 5 orações diárias, sexta é dia útil em França, e portanto mesmo muçulmanos devotos não se deslocam à mesquita, mas estendem um tapete no local de trabalho (devem ter garantido isso nos direitos de trabalho), viram-se para a Meca e durante uns 5 ou 10 minutos prosternam-se n sei quantas vezes e rezam.
Por isso o número de 1 milhão que penso não tem grande credibilidade, se estiver correcto parece-me bastante elevado.


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Re: "Estado Islamico"....
« Responder #577 em: 2015-11-22 21:11:00 »
era ser dia especial o 1 milhao deve ser com  orações comum foi feita em mesquitas de toda a França

A Grande Mesquita de Paris tinha convidado todos os muçulmanos da cidade a reunirem-se ali às duas da tarde, e a trazer os seus amigos. O dia de portas abertas, com a participação de dignitários políticos e autoridades religiosas, acabou por ser cancelado, na véspera, por motivos de segurança. Mas isso não demoveu os crentes.
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Re: "Estado Islamico"....
« Responder #578 em: 2015-11-22 21:11:23 »
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Bruxelas vai manter-se em alerta máximo: escolas e metro fechados na segunda-feira

Autoridades procuram pelo menos dois suspeitos. Está em curso uma operação perto do centro da cidade - moradores avisados para ficarem em casa....

.....Operação em curso

Ao início da noite deste domingo, os jornais belgas e a BBC avançaram que está em curso uma operação no centro de Bruxelas, não longe da Grand-Place.

Algumas ruas foram cortadas pela polícia e pelos militares - dois quarteirões, segundo publicou no Twitter um jornalista da BBC na cidade - e o jornal Le Soir publicou uma fotografia em que se vê que um autocarro foi usado para bloquear uma rua.

Outro jornalista da BBC em Bruxelas relata que a população que vive na zona foi avisada para se manter em casa e longe das janelas, que devem manter-se fechadas. Algumas pessoas que jantavam em restaurantes da zona estão a informar, via Twitter, que foram escoltadas para fora dos estabelecimentos até zonas seguras. Outras dizem que lhes mandaram ficar dentro dos restaurantes, de portas trancadas e abrigados.

Oficialmente, nada se sabe nada sobre esta operação policial. A polícia pediu à comunicação social para não divulgar detalhes da operação em curso e, por exemplo, o jornal Le Soir suspendeu a divulgação de informação sobre esta operação.

http://www.publico.pt/mundo/noticia/bruxelas-ainda-sob-alerta-maximo-procura-pelo-menos-dois-suspeitos-1715208

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Re: "Estado Islamico"....
« Responder #579 em: 2015-11-22 21:53:38 »
mas é muçulmano ou é árabe?
a tvi também anda aqui a recolher material... ai anda.. anda... o inc tem aqui uma mina e não sabe como monetizá-la.

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/videos/afinal-o-que-e-um-muculmano-e-um-arabe/5650e75f0cf28779b1d6201a/1

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If you have more than you need, build a longer table rather than a taller fence.
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So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is...fear itself — nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.
Franklin D. Roosevelt